Another scandalous dollar amount 10

I understand that the $1.5m and $3m are giving a few people the vapors today, but there’s another number in this story that you might add to the mix.

Zero.

This has been Perry Noble’s offer to my family.

Zero meetings.

Zero calls.

Zero apologies.

Zero questions.

Zero dollars.

I’ve explained the number that I put on the table. Perhaps he’ll be good enough to explain his.

10 thoughts on “Another scandalous dollar amount

  1. Tommy F Dec 5, 2009 9:22 pm

    On twitter I came across this gem of a quote:
    jimtodd91 wrote: “@perrynoble @newspring church – Frightening how you all sent a LAWYER to do YOUR job. No real men in leadership there at NS?”

    Good question.

    JDuncan, maybe they ran out of money when they gave it to their lawyer from Texas and paid for his travel (airfare or a lot of gas money). Texas? Why did they call Texas? There are no good attorneys who attend NS in Anderson, Greenville, Columbia, Florence? Really? 15,000 people and no lawyers?

    Talk about exporting your dirty laundry.

  2. Brandon Giromini Dec 6, 2009 1:46 am

    JD and Tommy,

    Ministries like this always lawyer up, that is just how they work. Was this lawyer licensed to practice in South Carolina is my first question. Was he a “Christian” lawyer? I like how this lawyer told you to bring all your documentation but never looked at any of it. A good friend of my was involved in “Christian” mediation and had tons of documentation to prove his story but none of this was used in the negotiations.

  3. Theseus662 Dec 6, 2009 4:33 am

    Tommy F, throw stones much? Could it be that the reason for outsourcing legal representation to another state would be in order to avoid any kind of conflict of interest since they have congregations in the cities you mentioned above? It wouldn’t be equally unwise to retain a lawyer from their own congregation because then you would find further excuses to spend your time complaining, pointing fingers, and throwing stones. If ALL of the accusations that Mr. Duncan has made are in fact true (there is still a bit of room for speculation although the harassment was definitely wrong and uncalled for) I will be expecting action of some sort. I am however curious as to why you and Mr. Duncan spend so much time and energy on criticizing everything that comes out of NS and from PN. Could you both be the proverbial pot calling the kettle black whose time would be better spent further the kingdom the way the Spirit is leading you rather than criticizing the way others do it?

  4. SImon P. Dec 6, 2009 9:47 am

    Theseus662… Please read some of the other posts on this blog. You will see that JD welcomes discussion and objection, the exact opposite of PN’s solution. Not quite the pot calling the kettle black IMO.

  5. Johnathan Dec 6, 2009 9:52 am

    Litigation 101:

    1st thing lawyers do…ask if you have evidence. When you present it to them…they will never acknowledge it in front of you. It puts them in a bad spot in the negotiations. You will hear words likes “alleged” and “so-called”, but never definite statements of facts from your perspective. Their job is to state their clients perspective, not to affirm yours.

    Nothing “Christian” about the process.

  6. Jim W Dec 6, 2009 10:27 am

    Theseus662-PN and NS deserve criticism because they are dragging people down the wide road to Hell. Listen to the “sermons” and you will hear nothing but works-righteousness and man-centered drivel. That, and lots of stories about Perry and Perry and oh yeah, Perry.

  7. Tommy F. Dec 6, 2009 12:31 pm

    Brandon,

    Hire a lawyer to meet with a Christian about claims of harassment? Try telling that to Paul (1 Corinthians 6:1-8).My guess is that Perry hasn’t preached on this one.

    Theseus662,

    Show me a stone. Good questions. Did you ask the same questions of the one’s guilty of criminal activity? Or those that let it occur? Or those that encouraged it?

    I’d like you to compare my comments on this blog to Elihu’s statement in Job 34:3. I also would like you to taste what you hear. Is it correct? Foul tasting? Bitter? Sweet? Should you swallow it or spit it out?

    That’s all this blog tries to do…. And most importantly this blog lets other opinions state their points. Go try and do that on Perry’s blog.

  8. John Dec 6, 2009 1:18 pm

    “I am however curious as to why you and Mr. Duncan spend so much time and energy on criticizing everything that comes out of NS and from PN.”

    To answer Theseus662’s question, Duncan wrote this:

    “I’ve argued before that when you portray your critics as being unsaved enemies of the church, you do give the green light to people like Maxwell to do what he did, and to all the mid-level folk who took vicarious pleasure in what he was saying. This is what I hoped, and continue to hope, that Noble will see. Words mean things, and meaningful words often result in real-world actions. Maxwell and friends acted entirely consistently with Noble’s teaching on how to deal with criticism.”

    And believe me when I tell you it’s not limited to PN & NS, this criticism doctrine is being taught in churches all accross our country. So this website is valuable if it ultimatley results in much needed change. Why not ask if Duncan is speaking the truth, that is the ultimate test.

  9. Fred Dec 7, 2009 8:38 am

    Regardless, if you feel like you have been legally wronged I don’t think going after millions of dollars from a church is the just thing to do. We all know that the millions would be comprised of tithes and offerings of followers of Christ who gave that money to be used to further His kingdom – not line your pockets.

    If you feel that your legal rights were truly compromised go after the individuals in criminal court (or civil) – but going after the tithes and offerings to God isn’t the right path in my opinion.

  10. Matt McCraw Dec 7, 2009 2:38 pm

    This is all very sad. Has anyone ever read 1 Corinthians 6:1-8 or Matthew 18:15-20?

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