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		<title>By: Links of the Week&#8212;- 12.11.09 &#171; Straight Up</title>
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		<dc:creator>Links of the Week&#8212;- 12.11.09 &#171; Straight Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] problem with trying to seperate the Bible &amp; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: squirrel</title>
		<link>http://www.pajamapages.com/differentiating-jesus-from-the-word/comment-page-1/#comment-7011</link>
		<dc:creator>squirrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 02:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you are taking what pn preached out of context..he said more than once to hear from God you need to read &quot;The Word&quot; and it was also #1 on his list of way to hear from God...be careful when quoting someone that you listen to the entire message or better yet attend the service...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are taking what pn preached out of context..he said more than once to hear from God you need to read &#8220;The Word&#8221; and it was also #1 on his list of way to hear from God&#8230;be careful when quoting someone that you listen to the entire message or better yet attend the service&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 02:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the things that I see over and over in this blog is the &quot;chip&quot; to find something wrong each and every week with Noble.  Now, I&#039;m not saying &quot;they&quot; haven&#039;t done anything wrong.  But anyone can go on week after week and take a quote from a person and make it into an issue.  I read what you linked too and maybe instead of assuming what he means to just let it go?

He could be meaning that many people in our nation when they come across a problem go to scripture to find a 5 step answer to their problem.  They think if they go through a 10 commandment program that it will somehow change their emotion.  It&#039;s much like someone who is going through a divorce getting a list of scripture that talks about divorce being wrong.  It doesn&#039;t really help much.  What they need is a walk with Jesus and not a scripture atomic bomb.  They look to scripture for an answer to a problem and hope to find a 1-2-3 boddabing your problem is gone.  Much like they would go to an instruction manual for a broken gas tank.  Find an answer, fix the problem.  Now, scripture fixes problems but experiencing Jesus is much further than knowing some Bible verses. We all know that.

In the scenario above it might not be even close to what he means.  I&#039;m just assuming something positive.  You assume something negative.  We don&#039;t know exactly what he means.

I feel you are a bit nit-picky in your approach trying to find something wrong with a phrase that is somewhat open ended for discussion and dialogue.  We do know that circumstances are often something that God can speak through.  Ever been in a hard spot and someone comes along and helps you out?  Does God absent in those circumstance?

Not that I don&#039;t have problems with Noble.  I just feel you try to seek out anything that can be construed negatively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things that I see over and over in this blog is the &#8220;chip&#8221; to find something wrong each and every week with Noble.  Now, I&#8217;m not saying &#8220;they&#8221; haven&#8217;t done anything wrong.  But anyone can go on week after week and take a quote from a person and make it into an issue.  I read what you linked too and maybe instead of assuming what he means to just let it go?</p>
<p>He could be meaning that many people in our nation when they come across a problem go to scripture to find a 5 step answer to their problem.  They think if they go through a 10 commandment program that it will somehow change their emotion.  It&#8217;s much like someone who is going through a divorce getting a list of scripture that talks about divorce being wrong.  It doesn&#8217;t really help much.  What they need is a walk with Jesus and not a scripture atomic bomb.  They look to scripture for an answer to a problem and hope to find a 1-2-3 boddabing your problem is gone.  Much like they would go to an instruction manual for a broken gas tank.  Find an answer, fix the problem.  Now, scripture fixes problems but experiencing Jesus is much further than knowing some Bible verses. We all know that.</p>
<p>In the scenario above it might not be even close to what he means.  I&#8217;m just assuming something positive.  You assume something negative.  We don&#8217;t know exactly what he means.</p>
<p>I feel you are a bit nit-picky in your approach trying to find something wrong with a phrase that is somewhat open ended for discussion and dialogue.  We do know that circumstances are often something that God can speak through.  Ever been in a hard spot and someone comes along and helps you out?  Does God absent in those circumstance?</p>
<p>Not that I don&#8217;t have problems with Noble.  I just feel you try to seek out anything that can be construed negatively.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 20:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paula, Tim,

Good thoughts.  Noble is going down a dangerous line of thought.  Typically what happens next is that you begin to have a cannon within a cannon...i.e. Jesus&#039; teaching takes priority and all else is interpreted in light of the &quot;red letters.&quot;  From there, the stage is set to reject other parts of the Bible that may seem contrary to the &quot;red letters&quot;.  Many liberal theologians defend homosexuality using this tactic.  I don&#039;t think NOble would go this far, but he is laying the foundation for either himself or his chruch in the future to go down that path.  Just look at mainline demoninations around us...they are but skeletons now due to their rejection of sola scriptura.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paula, Tim,</p>
<p>Good thoughts.  Noble is going down a dangerous line of thought.  Typically what happens next is that you begin to have a cannon within a cannon&#8230;i.e. Jesus&#8217; teaching takes priority and all else is interpreted in light of the &#8220;red letters.&#8221;  From there, the stage is set to reject other parts of the Bible that may seem contrary to the &#8220;red letters&#8221;.  Many liberal theologians defend homosexuality using this tactic.  I don&#8217;t think NOble would go this far, but he is laying the foundation for either himself or his chruch in the future to go down that path.  Just look at mainline demoninations around us&#8230;they are but skeletons now due to their rejection of sola scriptura.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, James, and a sober warning. I have had to read a lot of postmodern literature as of late, and this is exactly the same thing I am seeing: differenting Jesus as &quot;the Word&quot; from the &quot;the word&quot; of Scripture, as if the two are diametrically opposed. And Paul is right -- this is the same tactic that was employed by theological liberals (and later by neo-orthodox theologians).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, James, and a sober warning. I have had to read a lot of postmodern literature as of late, and this is exactly the same thing I am seeing: differenting Jesus as &#8220;the Word&#8221; from the &#8220;the word&#8221; of Scripture, as if the two are diametrically opposed. And Paul is right &#8212; this is the same tactic that was employed by theological liberals (and later by neo-orthodox theologians).</p>
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		<title>By: Paula</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw James I think that whatever God is trying to say to Perry through these current circumstances has probably been chalked up to just a bad case of indigestion.

The problem with using all these other sources (other than Scripture) to &#039;hear from God&#039; is that we can just as easily tune them out.

That being said, sounds like Perry has also tuned out Scripture for the most part regarding this whole fiasco, so... there is nothing left for him but to wander around in the dark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw James I think that whatever God is trying to say to Perry through these current circumstances has probably been chalked up to just a bad case of indigestion.</p>
<p>The problem with using all these other sources (other than Scripture) to &#8216;hear from God&#8217; is that we can just as easily tune them out.</p>
<p>That being said, sounds like Perry has also tuned out Scripture for the most part regarding this whole fiasco, so&#8230; there is nothing left for him but to wander around in the dark.</p>
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		<title>By: Paula</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, sounds theologically liberal.  The Evangelical church, even conservative ones, are rife with trying to &#039;hear God speak&#039; through things other than his Word.  Certainly God works through circumstances, because he is in control, but he does not SPEAK through them, nor do we have to discern his voice or &#039;perfect will&#039; for our life.  We have a hard enough time studying the Scriptures and learning how to make decisions based on a Biblical mindset.  God promises that if we do that he will do the rest... and yes sometimes things seem to flop, sometimes they seem to succeed.  We just trust the outcome to him. 

But he does not speak to us outside of his Word.  If he did, (and he has in the past to the prophets and apostles) you can be sure there would be NO DOUBT in your mind that it was him.  It would never be a nebulous &#039;hunch&#039; or an &#039;inner impression&#039; or a &#039;sense of peace.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, sounds theologically liberal.  The Evangelical church, even conservative ones, are rife with trying to &#8216;hear God speak&#8217; through things other than his Word.  Certainly God works through circumstances, because he is in control, but he does not SPEAK through them, nor do we have to discern his voice or &#8216;perfect will&#8217; for our life.  We have a hard enough time studying the Scriptures and learning how to make decisions based on a Biblical mindset.  God promises that if we do that he will do the rest&#8230; and yes sometimes things seem to flop, sometimes they seem to succeed.  We just trust the outcome to him. </p>
<p>But he does not speak to us outside of his Word.  If he did, (and he has in the past to the prophets and apostles) you can be sure there would be NO DOUBT in your mind that it was him.  It would never be a nebulous &#8216;hunch&#8217; or an &#8216;inner impression&#8217; or a &#8216;sense of peace.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.pajamapages.com/differentiating-jesus-from-the-word/comment-page-1/#comment-6965</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow!  can&#039;t deny sola scriptura any more clearly than that.  almost sounds like he has been reading protestant liberals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow!  can&#8217;t deny sola scriptura any more clearly than that.  almost sounds like he has been reading protestant liberals.</p>
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		<title>By: KH</title>
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		<dc:creator>KH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay Grant, I second your comment!  I agree with every word, and thank you for putting it much more eloquently than I could have :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay Grant, I second your comment!  I agree with every word, and thank you for putting it much more eloquently than I could have <img src='http://www.pajamapages.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: MichaelD</title>
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		<dc:creator>MichaelD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is possible that in opposing the stance presented by Pastor Noble, you are making on as equally short-sighted.  I think presenting that the only way to encounter Jesus is through the Bible can be problematic.  The Word was there from the beginning, pre-existent to the Human Jesus and the written word.  Through the presence of the Spirit of God that all of Jesus&#039; followers inhabit and are inhabited by, I think it is very possible to have an encounter with Jesus from a Biblically external source.

That being said I am just reacting to what you have written and have not watched all of Pastor Noble&#039;s message, so this is not a commentary on the situation just on your point.

Also I am moved by your honesty and hope that all involved come to a place where they come move beyond this and learn and grow for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is possible that in opposing the stance presented by Pastor Noble, you are making on as equally short-sighted.  I think presenting that the only way to encounter Jesus is through the Bible can be problematic.  The Word was there from the beginning, pre-existent to the Human Jesus and the written word.  Through the presence of the Spirit of God that all of Jesus&#8217; followers inhabit and are inhabited by, I think it is very possible to have an encounter with Jesus from a Biblically external source.</p>
<p>That being said I am just reacting to what you have written and have not watched all of Pastor Noble&#8217;s message, so this is not a commentary on the situation just on your point.</p>
<p>Also I am moved by your honesty and hope that all involved come to a place where they come move beyond this and learn and grow for it.</p>
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