Great quotes from Perry’s latest sermon 26

Noble’s sermon from last Sunday apparently moved a few people here, so I decided to give it a listen…

You didn’t honestly think I was gonna listen and not comment, did you?  Here’s what he has to say:

Jesus called it the Great Comission, not the Great Suggestion.

Sure about that one, Perry?

I’m too concerned about the people living in the environment to be concerned about saving the envirionment.

Does this even make sense to anyone? First, I think when God gave man dominion over the creatures of the earth (Gen. 1:26), he expected us to take care of them. Also, (Gen. 1:31) when he looked at all he had made and thought it was very good, I think that shows that God cares about the environment.

Plus, just plain common sense would say that if you really care about a person living in an environment, you would want to do your best to make sure the environment was safe for them.

If you’re a church shopper, I want to help you. You say” I’m looking for a church that meets my needs”. You see, I could give a crap about your needs. No, you don’t understand how much I don’t care.

Perry has apparently found some new definition for Pastor that I haven’t seen. The word translated as pastor, is also translated as shepherd. They mean the same thing.  In other words, a pastor’s job is to care for God’s sheep. Consider this passage from John 17:

15When they had finished eating, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon son of John, do you truly love me more than these?”
      “Yes, Lord,” he said, “you know that I love you.”
      Jesus said, “Feed my lambs.” 16Again Jesus said, “Simon son of John, do you truly love me?”
      He answered, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.”
      Jesus said, “Take care of my sheep.”

 17 The third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?”
      Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.”

    Jesus said, “Feed my sheep.”

Isn’t it odd that Jesus made it clear to Peter, that if he loved Him, Peter would take care of His sheep? Do we see this kind of concern anywhere in Perry’s ministry? Has he even read this passage of Scripture before?

I’m sick and tired of, “I just want a small church. We’re not gonna reach anyone, but we’re gonna study the Bible and love each other.” That would be great…but it’s not commissioned in Scripture.

  1. I’m sure you’d never hear a church say “We’re not gonna reach anyone.”
  2. There is plenty of scriptural evidence that we should love one another and study God’s word.

In the church world today, we’re not fisher’s of men, we’re keepers of the aquarium.

Actually, a keeper of the aquarium isn’t a bad image for the biblical picture of a pastor.

It’s our commission to piss church people off as often as possible, because that is a way to make sure we are preaching the gospel.

I have nothing to even say about this. One of you with the special decoder ring will have to tell me what he’s talking about here. And please, point me to the passage of Scripture where he gets this idea.

26 thoughts on “Great quotes from Perry’s latest sermon

  1. David J Horn Aug 19, 2009 2:14 pm

    More of Perry Noble crying about people expecting him to be a pastor, more taking jabs at other Christians, more unfounded assumptions by PN, and more filthy language(Col 3:8)…so what else is new? It’s the same old re-bagged PN sermon packaged as another experience.

  2. Seth Aug 19, 2009 3:30 pm

    Its really sad duncan that you have either 1)taken much of it out of context, or 2)for some of it you have to go to NS to understand it. I don’t even know where to begin when it comes to correcting you/explaining it…so I don’t think I’m going to try.

  3. James Downing Aug 19, 2009 3:35 pm

    Wasn’t Duncan, twas I.

    2 – of course it’s out of context. The sermon was about an hour long, I’m not transcribing all that.

    3 – feel free to explain any of this. Perry is flat out in the wrong Seth. I know it’s hard for you accept, but he was way off base in this sermon. I only quoted a few things.

  4. James Duncan Aug 19, 2009 3:47 pm

    Come on, Seth. You guys asked for this.

    PP does not make a business of listening to and dissecting PN’s sermons. You all seemed so amped about this special sermon and invited everyone to listen to it (Ben specifically, though you didn’t suggest that we shouldn’t).

    Bunches of NS tweeters were proclaiming this as PN’s best ever. That’s kind of interesting, isn’t it?

    Downing sacrificed a good 60 minutes to do this. He should be applauded for saving the rest of us so much time.

    Seth, if we “have to go to NS to understand it,” why even post it online? Why invite us to look?

  5. Seth Aug 19, 2009 4:28 pm

    OK, first quote…not sure what is wrong with that…it is called the great commission not the great suggestion. The point being made is people who live a comfortable life as a christian and do the bare minimmum and don’t ever tell anyone about Jesus are changing the great commission to the great suggestion, When Jesus said to do something, if we don’t, it becomes sin.

    Second quote…This comes from back where denomiations were pushing the need to take care of the envirnoment and all that instead of pushing to save people and reach out to people, sepecially at a time when memberships and salvations were at a decline. Yes, the earth is a primary concern, but, Worring about people first and then the environment is more important than forgetting people and being all about the environment.

    Third quote…In the sermon he tell you about this group. This is not to people in general but to people who got from church to church and don’t get involved but its all about them, its about what they can get from the church. and when they are done they move on to another church. (yes, these people exsist, I have known several couples who have done that and a few single guys that did too)

    The 4th quote…Yes, the Bible says that, but Perry is only talking to churches who do that but don’t do outreach. Who will study instead of reaching out to people. And no, in their mission statement it doesnt say that, but they have become about that. They have become about staying small and dont like to grow. Living here in the south, I know plenty of churches that have become like that.

    Im going to skip to the last quote…Lets look at a man named Jesus…what did he do while he was here on Earth? He reached people and he made the “religious people” of the day (the Pharisees) mad. Hince they wanted to catch him and kill him. The term church people in this sentence refers to people who know the Bible inside and out but never extend Love to someone or they never shared the Gosple with anyone.

    There ya go. I have just sacrificed 30 minutes of my time explaining this to you.

  6. James Downing Aug 19, 2009 4:46 pm

    1ST QUOTE) Jesus didn’t say either. The term isn’t in the bible, other than as a heading added by editors. Cheap shot by me. I’ll take it.

    2ND QUOTE)Not at all what he said, but if that’s how you make yourself comfortable with listening to him…Ok.

    3RD QUOTE) I listened to the whole sermon. If he was referencing another group than what I mentioned, he didn’t make it clear. In fact he spoke negatively of Bible studies at 3 different times, and made it very clear that NS only purpose is to evangelise. In fact, he pretty much made the argument that if you do ANYTHING EVER outside of evangelism you are wrong. Why you can’t have bible studies and evangelism, I don’t know.

    4TH QUOTE) Thanks for the translation. Again, I seriously need the decoder ring.

    LAst QUOTE) You and I both know he wasn’t nearly that specific. He said exactly what I quoted, and you hear what you want to hear. Furthermore, you go to church…you are chucrh people. If I punch you in the face, it will p!%@$ you off. Is that proof that I’m preaching the gospel? Tha’s what Perry said:
    pissed off church people = preaching gospel.

    And it’s funyy… there is nothing MORE churchy than having a Jesus sticker on your car and thinking that makes a difference.

  7. Tommy F. Aug 19, 2009 8:07 pm

    Seth,

    You are a church person (a church member or frequent attendee), right? Are you sufficiently pissed off yet?

    If Perry didn’t piss you off on Sunday, then I guess he didn’t preach the gospel. If James Downing did piss you off, then I guess he did.

    Now you can see why Perry’s sermons have this odd incongruity and backward logic to them. It’s no wonder his twitter account is filled with inconsistencies. They must be leftover sermon snippets he forgot to say.

  8. Seth Aug 19, 2009 8:16 pm

    Tommy

    Like I said in my post…if you read it…I said “church people” to people at NS refers to people who have all the knowledge of scripture but do not apply it, or as you would have it, modern day pharisees or the equivalent there of. So to answer your question, nope, he didn’t piss me off, he did challenge me to reach out to people more. which I am in the proccess of doing.

    Downing

    Again, if you actually went to NS spring continuously and listened to some older sermons, you would understand. I have heard all those quotes you used in deifferent sermons and the meanings behind them. I know, I was there when each one of those groups was pointed out. I more than likely still have the notes on them.

    I really would like to come to yalls church so that I may hear correct preaching and teaching and see how church should be done. So I can go to a church where everything is perfect and there are no mistakes. (note, I still agree with everything Perry is said, I know many christians who have grown up in the church, in their 60s and later and they have nothing wrong with what perry says and they even understand where he is coming from and what he means by the different groups.)

  9. James Downing Aug 19, 2009 8:35 pm

    If Perry is so deep that I have to listen for years to keep up…scratch that. We know it’s not true. See, here’s the deal: you give Perry the benefit of the doubt when he says stupid things, because you like him.

    If you, every senior citizen, and Perry all agree…then you are all wrong. Perry’s idea of a pastor is completely unbiblical.

    Seth, though no one is claiming a perfect church, if you came to the place where I worship, you would hear proper preaching. The reason I am certain of this is because he simply preaches from the bible. He doesn’t dream up a bunch of stuff and try to tie it together with scripture. He simply helps us to understand what God’s word says. And yes, two people were saved at my church last week, and another was baptised. Scoreboard.

    Another interesting thing about my church is that if there IS a problem, or misunderstanding, our pastor is completely open with talking, and even receiving criticism from anyone. It’s called humility.

  10. Paul Aug 19, 2009 8:37 pm

    I’m not quite sure what is going on at newspring. having two jobs, i’m not able to listen to everything. it seems like to me newspring, elevation, and others like them spend a lot of time in their sermons about what is wrong with other churches. Last time i checked, is not a pastor supposed to care what is going on in his own church. pastors are called to shepherd teh flock…not to mention exegete and explain the text to the flock. oh, and to keep the wolves out.

  11. Seth Aug 19, 2009 8:53 pm

    Downing

    That is great news. When someon gets saved, in this case, 2 people, that is always something to celebrate. and in that case, Noble is not talking about your church, so you need not worry. Also, yeah, I like Perry, but I also agree with what he says. I think what he does is Biblical and I think, though he screws up and messes from time to time, he is teaching God’s word and the kingdom is being advanced.

    and if every person who had a problem with NS were to talk to Perry, then he would be a bad preacher b/c he would have no time for sermon prep. Or to lead the church for that matter. He does have accountablility, he has a board of overseers who do not attend NS and who are not even in the same state who what his sermons, set his salary, and hold him accountable.

    Also, I will say this, I am very open to visiting new churches, especially since I will be planting a church, I like to go and learn from lots of different churches and I like to learn from lots of different people. I would actually like to visit the different people’s churches on here. I know many of you are very smart and though I am positive there is self learning/study, I would like to visit these churches. I am also looking for some kind of a mentor figure too. If you are willing to inform me of what churches you go to so that I may visit them, I can garuntee that I wont disclose that to anyone nor will I will not crtitique or tear apart anything your churches or pastors may say or do. I know Duncan said awhile back that we could come by his office and he would share that with us, and I would take him up on that offer but I wont really have any time to get by there anytime soon.

  12. KeithO Aug 19, 2009 8:55 pm

    I know several people at NS and I would consider all of them “church people”. Does the fact they go to NS somehow make them better than other “church people” in this town?

    Maybe instead of being concerned about the church people elsewhere, PN should be concerned about the church people in his own house.

  13. James Duncan Aug 19, 2009 9:09 pm

    Seth, you sound like a church shopper. You’d better be careful.

    You say that PN wasn’t talking about Downing’s church. How do you know? Did you ask him, or is that what your decoder ring is saying today? Noble’s preaching is infuriatingly sloppy. Downing’s church apparently studies the Bible and its members love each other. That makes them bad, according to what PN says God says about churches.

    Now, you say that they’re off Noble’s bad-church list because two people gave their lives to Christ last week. What if they hadn’t? What if their Bible study had planted a seed and the Holy Spirit was waiting to draw them this weekend?

    Would Downing’s church be that much worse? The answer, according to Noble, is clearly yes.

    Until Noble starts giving specific examples of specific churches that are preaching a false Gospel, these general rants against the entire Christian church are just wrong.

    But at least he makes hell proud.

  14. Seth Aug 19, 2009 9:57 pm

    Duncan

    No, Church shoppers stay for a little while and when something happens they don’t like, they complain and then leave. They don’t want to serve or volunteer and as soon as they are asked they want to leave alos. And they keep hopping from church to church. I am going thru the learning process. Completely different.

    For the record Duncan, I never said they were on his list to begin with, so you must have drawn that conclusion, because I sure as never said that. Also, you fail to miss the criteria that they love (and I am assuming this) the community, that they do more than just Bible study and and sit inside the walls, that they do outreach. I know churches that do the opposite, they site around and use bible study as a a term for gossip time, they do not do any kind of outreach, they do not like nor welcome visitors to the church and yet they still claim to be christians. This church and the others out there like it need to hear the things Perry is saying.

  15. James Duncan Aug 19, 2009 10:55 pm

    Seth, I was just yanking your chain on the church shopping thing. (Albert may need to give me some sarcasm training.)

    I didn’t say you said they were on PN’s list; he made that clear all by himself. I was asking how you knew they were off it. Downing never said anything about outreach. You don’t know if they were invited or even welcomed. All we know is that his pastor preached the Word and two people were saved. That happens in Perry’s bad churches fairly regularly. Regularly enough that they’re still around to irritate PN.

    You know about all these other evil churches, do you? Care to name any? How many churches in Anderson would you say are in this category? If you can’t give a number, how about a percentage (for Anderson, SC, the USA, the world)?

    I imagine that there may be churches like this, but I don’t know of any. Their number is almost certainly vanishingly small. Yet PN talks about them ALL THE TIME.

    Why the obsession?

  16. David J Horn Aug 19, 2009 11:38 pm

    From what I have experienced in my life the people who study and dig deep into the Bible are the ones who spend a great deal of time talking about the Bible. Some of these “bad” church folk shared the gospel with me many years ago when I was agnostic. I clearly remember them discussing the Word with me during breaks etc… I remember asking them questions and how they took me to the Word. It was because of study that they were able to lead me to my answers using the Bible.

    The thing Perry Noble misses is when we fill our hearts and mind with the Word, then the Word will manifest itself in our lives, speech, and actions in our walk with Christ. To rant and rail against churches placing great emphasis on Bible study is foolishness coming from Perry Noble.

    You cannot study the Word too much. When we study the Word the Holy Spirit fills our mind and heart. To imply that churches who encourage and practice deep Bible study are somehow wrong is unacceptable to say the least. It shows me just how out of touch with the true teachings of the Bible Perry Noble really is and how his love of the world has blinded him to these truths.

  17. Seth Aug 20, 2009 12:35 am

    Duncan

    I can name them if you want, but since I have not talked with a staff member at them I would rather talk to them forst than to mention then. I have seen many figures where thousands of churches are forced to close their doors every year because they just die. God is through losing those churches so they go away. he is not finished with the people though. I can’t remeber where this came from but if you are still alive, God is not done with you yet. Yes, Perry comes off as harsh, but, he does speak truth because I know these churches exsist and I have seen and been to them. The percentage, I don’t know. havent found that number, but I do know that it use to be that (don’t know if it is still true) but some 7,000+ churches in america close their doors every year. (that number includes church plants that get registers and hold a service or 2 but just cant make it) and only some 4,000 or 5,000 churches a year were being planted. The numbers were something like that. Also, i do know that for the last couple for years, actually, very many several years, the Southern Baptist Association has also reported shrinking numbers of salvations and baptisms. What do these numbers mean? not really sure. there are a number of factors that can play into the numbers game. But ultimately, if people are being saved, and if the church really reaches out to the community and preaches the Gospel, why would these number decline? Would they not increase? I don’t really know the answer, but I think its important to study these to find out the whats and whys and wheres.

  18. James Duncan Aug 20, 2009 7:22 am

    OK, Seth. Decent answer, but not really satisfying.

    Bottom line is that you’re saying that you know that these churches exist because …. they don’t exist. If that’s the case, doesn’t that make PN’s constant rants look even sillier and smaller? Who is he complaining about? Literally nobody.

    Why do churches close (assuming your stats are correct)? There are so many reasons. Have you noticed that whole cities are closing down in Michigan. I’m sure those churches are probably closed too.

    Some churches merge with other churches, so the numbers go from two to one, yet you have a bigger and, perhaps, a better church.

    Some churches are cannibalized by local church fads and manias. Others by local megachurches.

    Some churches are led by false teachers who are exposed.

    Some churches are led by morally deficient pastors who chase their congregations away.

    But you and Perry would have us believe that most of it is because they refuse to welcome outsiders. Again, that may be the case in a very few instances, but it makes no sense. What pastor, on the verge of losing his job and congregation, is going to strategize that he should correct the downward spiral by keeping newcomers away?

    The alleged strategy is senseless, but not as senseless as a pastor of a 15,000-person church CONSTANTLY complaining about churches that don’t exist, yet tarring all the other local churches that do.

  19. Anthony Aug 20, 2009 9:40 am

    I am sorry for doing this, but I’m throwing in a curveball because I need some advice. Anyone who reads this, please feel free to comment. David, you being a former agnostic, maybe you can help out more so–I dont know.

    I have been praying for a few weeks now for God to make me comfortable being uncomfortable. The reasson being, our church is asking every member to fast and pray about inviting three close friends or family members or need to hear the Gospel. The Lord layed on my heart to invite two of my friends who are devout atheists and I was scared! I was like “I dont even have everything figured out, how can I minister to them?” So after hearing God through sermons, music and situations, I called them a couple days ago and said “Hey, no strings attached, I just wanted to invite you to church on Sunday” And actually it went rather well. I was very worried, because one friend is pretty stand-offish and tends to shut people down when the word church is mentioned but he said its a possibility. I really didnt know the background story of my other friend too much but I do now. He grew up in a Christian school (private) and was told he was going to hell for everything, he used to constantly bite his nails and they said he would go to hell for that. I’m sure some of you have heard of this before and it completely broke my heart. However, he isnt bitter towards them and he does know some scripture but he says he is somewhere between a Deist and an atheist. The statement that took the wind out of my sails was when he said, “I’m content in my un-belief.” BAM! What do you say to that??? While my heart breaks for him, all I can do is be a living light of Jesus right? He doesnt have to go to church for Jesus to do anything so I’ve been praying for god to rock his world! I gave you all a brief version, so feel free to ask for clarity. I welcome any advice. Thanks!

  20. James Downing Aug 20, 2009 11:01 am

    Not much you can say, Anthony. If you have been faithful to what God led you to do, it’s really in His hands. Continue to pray for your friend, let your light shine in front of him, and ask God to soften his heart. Hopefully, God will give you future oportunities to share the gospel with him, in a situation where he can be receptive.

  21. Robin Aug 20, 2009 1:40 pm

    To all of you–This is a prime example of PN being PN. The one that cares about no one but his inner circle, doesn’t care what he says in church, hides in his green room, eats all the time, or at least twitters that he does, and sleeping the rest of the time. He must have the best people in the world working for him because that’s all you ever hear. I am sick and tired of PN and NS just like we all are of Michael Jackson.

  22. David J Horn Aug 20, 2009 4:03 pm

    Anthony,

    The best advice I can give you is to pray and be mindful to the Holy Spirit. If your friends ask you a question that you do not have an answer for then simply state that you do not know. The Lord can break any barrier and the Holy Spirit can shed the truth upon any soul(I’m an example of this because I was a hard core agnostic that really disliked the Christian faith).

    The main thing that they will look for is how you walk with Christ. They must see the love of Jesus in your life and your speech. I’m not saying you are to be perfect, but do try to be godly and kind. If you make a mistake then admit it. Keep on praying and asking God to guide you. Prayer is the key my friend.

    I will keep you and these people in my prayers. Just remember that God works on His time and not ours. Be patient allowing the Holy Spirit to do His job and draw them to Him so they can hear the truth.

  23. Sara Aug 21, 2009 10:28 pm

    James Duncan said: “PP does not make a business of listening to and dissecting PN’s sermons.”
    my question to that statement is, WHY on earth do you find the need to frequently quote and critique this guy? You guys seem pretty into being biblically and doctrinally correct, so shouldn’t you really take the time to study up on what someone meant before bashing it?

  24. James Duncan Aug 21, 2009 10:48 pm

    Sara, perhaps you could be good enough to tell us what he did mean. At several NSers’ request, Downing did take the time to study this sermon, so how did he get this wrong?

  25. Rosanne Aug 25, 2009 9:39 pm

    I have been reading this blog and have heard some of the same preaching and attitude displayed in several churches that I’ve attended. A question comes to mind – Does Jesus not care about the pharisee? In the scripture there is evidence of his harsh correction of the religious establishment but does that mean he didn’t love them and die for them? Is Jesus not as invested in reaching those in religiosity as He is in reaching the “lost”?

  26. Rosanne Aug 25, 2009 9:50 pm

    If the church is lost because it does not win souls and your purpose is to win lost souls then doesn’t that include the churches that you criticize for being lost? If your commission then is to reach the lost and you think the best way to do that is to reach them using their own culture, technology etc. – then why would you not apply that logic to reaching the “lost” churches. I don’t understand how someone who wants to fulfill the great commission can condemn a group of people (pharisee’s) as lost and yet say they are not concerned with reaching them. That’s like saying – well I’m only called to reach white people, or old people, or young people. Has the disdain for pharisee’s or anyone else for that matter turned the vision of this church into the great omission?

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