Impressive flexibility 31

A Sunday Noble tweet:

For far too long the church gathering on Sunday has been a pathetic farce.

Nine hours later:

When our “ministry” is to tear others down we make hell so proud.

Admirable intellectual flexibility.

31 thoughts on “Impressive flexibility

  1. Albert Aug 16, 2009 6:38 pm

    Let’s give PN the benefit of the doubt here. Maybe, just maybe, the “pathetic farce” he speaks of is NS. Surely he wouldn’t contradict himself…

  2. Tommy F Aug 16, 2009 11:37 pm

    1) I’m so glad Noble alerted me to how thankful I should be for him. After all he showed us all how not to be pathetic. After all, what else are we to say or conclude from this tweet, other than: “Thank you Perry. You’re the best. Where have you been throughout history?”

    2) I’m so glad Noble alerted me to how his ministry makes hell happy. Everyone now: Highway to Hell.

    3) You can pick up your new NS window decal on Sunday. It reads:
    NewSpring church. We make hell happy.

    Noble’s twitter account: what a pathetic farce. Maybe his assistant tweets in the morning and he tweets in the evening. Clearly, the right hand does not know what the left hand is doing.

  3. Ben Milstead Aug 17, 2009 5:40 pm

    I thought I would stop by to invite all of you guys to watch this past Sundays service. It was awesome! People were saved and God was praised. The service answered some of the myths many of you have about Newspring. It definitely answered the question about the bumper sticker that the post above this one references. You will have to watch the service to find out what the new bumper sticker says. If you live in Anderson you probably already know what it says.

    Glad to see you all still doing so well and are still spreading the gospel. God Bless!

    • James Duncan Aug 17, 2009 11:48 pm

      Ben, last time you invited us to look in on a Perry Noble sermon, I saw him ask God to kill a guy sitting beside him on a plane because he was snoring.

      Perhaps you’ll understand why I don’t drop everything to listen to his most recent work.

  4. David J Horn Aug 17, 2009 6:59 pm

    No thanks. I was a member of NewSpring so I know the NS ropes and hooks.

    Glad to hear people accepted Christ.

  5. David J Horn Aug 17, 2009 7:07 pm

    Tommy F,

    Can you send me a link to that window decal? If you have a scan of it pls e-mail it to me via my blog site. Thanks in advance.

  6. KeithO Aug 17, 2009 9:59 pm


    Good to see you are still around. Hope your family is well. Thanks for the invite, but I and my family have been enough times to conclude it is not for us. Everyone we know (and I am not exaggerating) at NS says the same thing, almost on cue, “it’s not for everybody”. It’s actually uncanny how, to a person, this is said to us by people we know who are members there. I am not sure exactly what to conclude by this, except to say it troubles me somewhat, and I really don’t know exactly why.

    But folks are being saved, and that’s always a good thing. Look forward to hearing from you again.

  7. Abe Bronson Aug 18, 2009 2:34 am

    JD – you won’t drop everything to listen to PN’s most recent work, but you will link his twitter feed to your blog and expend time and energy on calling him out, as well as other pastors?

    I’m not an attender of NewSpring or Elevation, so I’m not trying to defend either church, but I can’t help but notice one thing: you are obsessed. It seems, however, that you skirt around taking a stance on one thing: do you believe that Noble and Furtick are heretics? Instead of trying to be sly, or whatever you call it, tell us what you really believe.

    If you have as serious a problem with these pastors as it seems you do, you would say it plainly. However, I guess if you did that you might lose some of what it seems you’re ultimately after (and what you ultimately worship) – blog traffic.

  8. James Duncan Aug 18, 2009 8:46 am

    Abe, I fear you may overestimate just how much time and energy it takes to identify this sort of Twitter nonsense.

  9. JT Aug 18, 2009 1:15 pm

    I’m with Abe (but you already knew that, didn’t you?).

    If Noble and Furtick are preaching heresy, call them out on it.

    If they are not heretics, but you simply disagree with their style of leadership and their churches’ methods, why dissect every soundbite looking for a gotcha moment, if ultimately they are advancing the kingdom of God?

    Oh, and…

    David J. Horn- Tommy F. was joking about the NewSpring bumper sticker that said, “We make hell happy.”

  10. David J Horn Aug 18, 2009 2:05 pm


    I was hoping he was joking. Considering some of past Noble’s antics it would not surprise me if NS had a sticker with that slogan for bait and switch value to lure people into the church.

  11. James Downing Aug 18, 2009 2:21 pm

    The sticker deal that Ben was referring to from this weeks service is that Perry gave out stickers that said Jesus. He said if you have a NS sticker you can cover it with the Jesus sticker cause he wants Jesus to get all the glory.

    And no, I’m not joking.

  12. James Downing Aug 18, 2009 2:26 pm

    JT – Just speaking for myself here…I don’t think they are heretics. That’s a big word. Damnable offense. However, I also am not so sure that they are advancing the kingdom. In fact, I think their methods are doing long term damage to the body of Christ. That is why I find it important enough to talk about.

  13. James Duncan Aug 18, 2009 4:06 pm

    JT and Abe,

    I think you need to dial down the sensitivity of your heresy detectors. All I did was point out an inconsistency in Perry’s tweets, and you two are begging for a heresy verdict.

    If dumb inconsistencies count as heresies, we’re all in a heap of trouble.

  14. Seth Aug 18, 2009 4:42 pm


    Thats all you ever do is point out inconsistencies knowing that number one, they will always exsist because no one is perfect, and number 2, if I came to your class and paid attention to every little thing you say and do I bet I would find things that were wrong. The point being, I think you are obsessed with NS, Perry, and staff, especially considering all you ever do is post something informing us of what they did wrong this time or based on some viewpoint they have. You use to have posts that did not involve NS and company, but lately, it has turned into an all NS show. And why is this? Its not to change the leadership staff and what they do, I will assume you know/dont really expect to be able to do that. I think you need to check you motives. (and yes the, “if they stop being so wrong you will stop posting about them” arguement may sound good, but no where do I see where you have to point out ever little thing they do.)

    And I semi-agree with JT and Abe. you always seem to skim around the hersey issue or mention it but never declare they are, but for someone who doesn’t think they are, it sure comes up and awful lot. And I think that its an important issue because if they are, then they really do need ligitement correcting, and if they aren’t, then pointing out every little thing wrong is helping no one and going no where.

  15. James Duncan Aug 18, 2009 6:20 pm


    You pick a post where Noble says the church is a pathetic farce to worry about PP being a little too tough on him?

    You also pick a post on dumb tweets to ask if PN is a heretic?

    There are better battlegrounds, my friends.

  16. James Duncan Aug 18, 2009 9:22 pm

    Oh, and you also pick a post where I decline an invitation to watch a PN sermon to point out that I’m obsessed with him.

    I think this ground suits me well.

  17. Seth Aug 18, 2009 9:58 pm


    Well we are here and asking, and you dodge the questions.

    And have you looked at you own blog and how many time you in your posts/comments how many times you have mentioned his name/NS/and staff member or anything associated with NS? And yes, you are obsessed with Perry…obsessed with pointing out every little thing he does wrong.

  18. James Duncan Aug 18, 2009 10:19 pm

    Seth, I’m not answering because it’s a silly question and we’ve been over this before.

    If I said Noble was a heretic, would you flee from him?

    If I said he wasn’t, would you trust him even more?

    Isn’t the responsibility of making that call yours based on your study of Scripture? Why are you making me do your thinking for you?

    You shouldn’t be so obsessed with what I think.

  19. Seth Aug 18, 2009 11:06 pm


    I will plain tell you that I do not think that he is and I trust him and follow him the same amount, honestly, what ever you say about him will not make me follow him more or less. But, what you think about him being a heretic will determine whether or not I stick around. Its a fair question I do think.

    I personally think it would be an honor to have such a question asked to you, it means we think highly of you, tho we don’t always agree, Your thoughts are valued.

    • James Duncan Aug 18, 2009 11:30 pm

      Here’s what’s both puzzling and amusing to me. For the last few weeks, PP has covered some pretty weighty material on the topic of worship. There have been a few references to NS in them, but that was not the focus. Go and look at them and see how little discussion they generated (so much for all the people who say they want issues rather than names).

      Now, I post a couple of quotes from Perry with a brief sarcastic compliment, and everyone goes mental about whether I think he’s a heretic.

      Where did that come from?

      Look. I don’t know where I have EVER given the impression that I think he’s a heretic in the classic sense of the term (though his associations with and admiration for heretics is discomforting). Perhaps you have information about him that I don’t that makes you so suspicious, though if you do, you should share it with us.

  20. Seth Aug 19, 2009 12:46 am

    Like I said, I do not believe him to be a heretic. I said that. stated my view. If i had knowledge to the contrary, why would I say that I believe otherwise.

    And though they don’t generate alot of conversations about NS, they still talk about some aspect of what NS is doing/believes. or Elevation and furtick for that matter.

  21. Ben Milstead Aug 19, 2009 8:28 am

    Last weeks sermon is on the internet now. I encourage you all to watch it. WARNING! There may just be some tongue in cheek comments in this one too so if you can’t handle that, don’t watch.

  22. Seth Aug 19, 2009 9:13 am


    Yeah, I was there. It was a really good and somewhat convicting one. I had some friends who grew up in a more traditional church setting and they said that they wished their church back home could have been there for that service. Or just come to NS service in general.

  23. James Downing Aug 19, 2009 9:56 am

    Is it the service that is on NS’s frontpage?

    If so, what’s up with all the thundersticks?

  24. Anthony Aug 19, 2009 11:57 am

    I’m not sure if it was for a specific purpose other than just celebrating. Brad has a video of it on his site (atleast he did) It should be up right now…it is Week 6 of their current series, I havent watched it yet but should be able to tonight.

  25. Ben Milstead Aug 19, 2009 12:21 pm

    James, the series is “In Rhythm” so I’m assuming it was related to that. Honestly, I wondered the same thing. It was still nice to see people having fun in church though. I don’t know if this was the intention but it did add some electricity to the service.

    I’m not a fan of the thundersticks. I brought them home and my kids think they are inflatable swords. I’m tired of getting hit by them!

    Seth, I agree with you. I’ve heard the exact thing from several people since that service. It’s great to see NS evolve and I can’t wait to see what God has in store for us next. Didyou get a copy of the book they gave away? I’m not a big reader but I can’t put this one down. Bill Hybels is a great author.

  26. James Downing Aug 19, 2009 12:27 pm

    Ben, you believe in evolution?

    I’m just kidding with ya, nevermind.

    The thunderstick thing is a distraction to me, and definitely would be if I was there live, but, oh well…

  27. James Downing Aug 19, 2009 12:39 pm

    Guys, I’m trying to make it through this sermon, but Perry has started spewing some real garbage here. By reccomending this particular service, are you saying that you agree with all that is said?

  28. Seth Aug 19, 2009 3:32 pm


    Yes I did get the book, and I haven’t gotten a chance to read it, my reading list is rather backed up right now.


    Yes I do.

  29. James Downing Aug 19, 2009 3:36 pm

    Cool then Seth, please defend the points I made in the other post. Should be easy to do if you actually believe it.

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