Comments on: Introducing the Turnstile Church http://www.pajamapages.com/introducing-the-turnstile-church/ Media, Church, Culture Tue, 22 Dec 2009 05:51:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Lauren http://www.pajamapages.com/introducing-the-turnstile-church/comment-page-3/#comment-4065 Lauren Sun, 21 Jun 2009 04:29:48 +0000 http://www.jduncan.com/blog/?p=2329#comment-4065 @ David I hate that your brother in law's wife was not able to get help through NS. So I hoped it worked out for her. I have heard "NO" myself before and I am a member. It was those time I believe God was teaching me to depend on him and I was provided for with another outlet. I have never needed groceries, utilities or rent but I do request things and not every request was answered with "YES". Correct me if I am wrong but no church out there says "YES" to every need help call that comes in. But God answers every need help call and to me he is the ulimate provider anyway. And for the record, I know of a lady who was helped tremendously in Feb 2009 that was a non-member. I hope your brother in law's wife is doing better now. @ David
I hate that your brother in law’s wife was not able to get help through NS. So I hoped it worked out for her. I have heard “NO” myself before and I am a member. It was those time I believe God was teaching me to depend on him and I was provided for with another outlet. I have never needed groceries, utilities or rent but I do request things and not every request was answered with “YES”. Correct me if I am wrong but no church out there says “YES” to every need help call that comes in. But God answers every need help call and to me he is the ulimate provider anyway.
And for the record, I know of a lady who was helped tremendously in Feb 2009 that was a non-member. I hope your brother in law’s wife is doing better now.

]]> By: James Downing http://www.pajamapages.com/introducing-the-turnstile-church/comment-page-2/#comment-4051 James Downing Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:32:52 +0000 http://www.jduncan.com/blog/?p=2329#comment-4051 They did tag-team together, but they wore masks... Maybe he was joking. He didn't say it in a joking way, so maybe the plans just changed, or maybe he was just dreaming. Eh, whatever. The point was that, just like the traditional churches, they put a huge sum of money into a building. I'm sure every church would also say they built the building for the community, so there is really no difference. I don't think it's definitely wrong to put millions into a building, I just wonder if there is abetter use of a churches resources. They did tag-team together, but they wore masks…

Maybe he was joking. He didn’t say it in a joking way, so maybe the plans just changed, or maybe he was just dreaming. Eh, whatever.

The point was that, just like the traditional churches, they put a huge sum of money into a building. I’m sure every church would also say they built the building for the community, so there is really no difference. I don’t think it’s definitely wrong to put millions into a building, I just wonder if there is abetter use of a churches resources.

]]> By: JT http://www.pajamapages.com/introducing-the-turnstile-church/comment-page-2/#comment-4049 JT Sat, 20 Jun 2009 16:27:11 +0000 http://www.jduncan.com/blog/?p=2329#comment-4049 Downing, Sorry, but it looks like you fell for a joke. Did you also believe it when Noble said he was asked by the WWE to do a tag-team event with Clayton King? Downing,

Sorry, but it looks like you fell for a joke. Did you also believe it when Noble said he was asked by the WWE to do a tag-team event with Clayton King?

]]> By: Seth http://www.pajamapages.com/introducing-the-turnstile-church/comment-page-2/#comment-4048 Seth Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:42:24 +0000 http://www.jduncan.com/blog/?p=2329#comment-4048 James Downing Thats was part of Perry's joking around. I have heard him joke around many times about things like that, one of the things he joked about was the tailgate baptism until they unexpectantly did it. Why don't you go look at it yourself and see what you think? Duncan That point of that was that people who sit around all day and learn but do not apply it or people who learn all day and do not do anything to advance the Kingdom of God (that would be things like outreach, witnessing, helping others, things of that nature). If you have knowledge and use it, good for you, but that is really what he means with all that. Tommy F outreach vs inreach. Lets see, the kids can GO OUT into the community to make friends and build relationships, and/or they can bring friends to church to make friends and relationships. I do not think it is just in-reach/outreach going on here, it is a mixture of both. However, I see outreach as reaching out to any churched or unchurched people and I view in-reach as helping people in the congregation. If you have a mixture of christian and unchristian friends and they are bored during the summer, is a place like the church not a good atmosphere to be able to go and hangout. Not only can they make more friends and fellowship and such, it is a good safe place to go and hangout. James Downing

Thats was part of Perry’s joking around. I have heard him joke around many times about things like that, one of the things he joked about was the tailgate baptism until they unexpectantly did it. Why don’t you go look at it yourself and see what you think?

Duncan

That point of that was that people who sit around all day and learn but do not apply it or people who learn all day and do not do anything to advance the Kingdom of God (that would be things like outreach, witnessing, helping others, things of that nature). If you have knowledge and use it, good for you, but that is really what he means with all that.

Tommy F

outreach vs inreach. Lets see, the kids can GO OUT into the community to make friends and build relationships, and/or they can bring friends to church to make friends and relationships. I do not think it is just in-reach/outreach going on here, it is a mixture of both. However, I see outreach as reaching out to any churched or unchurched people and I view in-reach as helping people in the congregation. If you have a mixture of christian and unchristian friends and they are bored during the summer, is a place like the church not a good atmosphere to be able to go and hangout. Not only can they make more friends and fellowship and such, it is a good safe place to go and hangout.

]]> By: David J http://www.pajamapages.com/introducing-the-turnstile-church/comment-page-2/#comment-4047 David J Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:16:59 +0000 http://www.jduncan.com/blog/?p=2329#comment-4047 Lauren,"Again, volunteer. Know this first hand. Not to mention the times during the year they fill up the local food banks but NS gives struggling families money for groceries and utilites.Looking for a church home….interersting. Have you tried a certain church here in town? I hear they have an awesome children’s program." Correct me if I wrong, but in our experience is that you must be a member of NewSpring to get assistance with you rent and utilities. When we were members of NewSpring, my brother-in-laws wife needed help with here rent. When we talked to NewSpring we were told that since they were not members NewSpring could not help, but they would give them some info were other agencies could help them. Yes, NewSpring does give food to food banks, but should not NewSpring be doing more to help the community vs. spending millions on buildings? It would be a greater outreach to help the poor vs nice expensive buildings. I know Redemption in Greenville helps everyone regardless if they are members or not. Lauren,”Again, volunteer. Know this first hand. Not to mention the times during the year they fill up the local food banks but NS gives struggling families money for groceries and utilites.Looking for a church home….interersting. Have you tried a certain church here in town? I hear they have an awesome children’s program.”

Correct me if I wrong, but in our experience is that you must be a member of NewSpring to get assistance with you rent and utilities. When we were members of NewSpring, my brother-in-laws wife needed help with here rent. When we talked to NewSpring we were told that since they were not members NewSpring could not help, but they would give them some info were other agencies could help them. Yes, NewSpring does give food to food banks, but should not NewSpring be doing more to help the community vs. spending millions on buildings? It would be a greater outreach to help the poor vs nice expensive buildings.

I know Redemption in Greenville helps everyone regardless if they are members or not.

]]> By: James Downing http://www.pajamapages.com/introducing-the-turnstile-church/comment-page-2/#comment-4045 James Downing Sat, 20 Jun 2009 14:12:22 +0000 http://www.jduncan.com/blog/?p=2329#comment-4045 Waoh, woah woah... JT - The last time I was there, they were building the youth building. Perry Noble himself told me that there was a retractable football field. Did he lie? If it's not true, that's great. But, it wasn't a rumor, it was from Perry himself. Why would he say that if it weren't true? Waoh, woah woah… JT – The last time I was there, they were building the youth building. Perry Noble himself told me that there was a retractable football field. Did he lie?

If it’s not true, that’s great. But, it wasn’t a rumor, it was from Perry himself. Why would he say that if it weren’t true?

]]> By: Lauren http://www.pajamapages.com/introducing-the-turnstile-church/comment-page-2/#comment-4041 Lauren Sat, 20 Jun 2009 05:22:49 +0000 http://www.jduncan.com/blog/?p=2329#comment-4041 @ Downing "Then again, maybe they’ll give away food there…but I doubt it." Again, volunteer. Know this first hand. Not to mention the times during the year they fill up the local food banks but NS gives struggling families money for groceries and utilites. Looking for a church home....interersting. Have you tried a certain church here in town? I hear they have an awesome children's program. :D @ Downing “Then again, maybe they’ll give away food there…but I doubt it.”

Again, volunteer. Know this first hand. Not to mention the times during the year they fill up the local food banks but NS gives struggling families money for groceries and utilites.
Looking for a church home….interersting. Have you tried a certain church here in town? I hear they have an awesome children’s program. :D

]]> By: James Duncan http://www.pajamapages.com/introducing-the-turnstile-church/comment-page-2/#comment-4039 James Duncan Sat, 20 Jun 2009 05:04:01 +0000 http://www.jduncan.com/blog/?p=2329#comment-4039 Seth, must I quote his entire sermon? I embedded the video, so it's not like I don't want people to watch it; in fact, I recommend that people watch it. I'm not surprised that you don't find it a problem. He's being used here as an example of the Turnstile Church. The nice thing about the label is that it's not necessarily negative. Look at my definition; it's exactly what SF describes and what you like. Embrace it. Can anyone explain why he put air quotes around "doctrines of grace"? Does he not by into them himself? Paul spent a whole book explaining the doctrines of grace, so how can one possibly get obese on them? Seth, must I quote his entire sermon? I embedded the video, so it’s not like I don’t want people to watch it; in fact, I recommend that people watch it.

I’m not surprised that you don’t find it a problem. He’s being used here as an example of the Turnstile Church. The nice thing about the label is that it’s not necessarily negative. Look at my definition; it’s exactly what SF describes and what you like. Embrace it.

Can anyone explain why he put air quotes around “doctrines of grace”? Does he not by into them himself? Paul spent a whole book explaining the doctrines of grace, so how can one possibly get obese on them?

]]> By: Tommy F http://www.pajamapages.com/introducing-the-turnstile-church/comment-page-2/#comment-4036 Tommy F Sat, 20 Jun 2009 03:24:13 +0000 http://www.jduncan.com/blog/?p=2329#comment-4036 Oh, sorry. I thought it was in-reach rather than outreach. I still think church should be about sending people out rather than bringing them in. It truly reminds me of the 1950s style evangelism and revival techniques that PNoble and friends always malign. For such a progressive reputation, NS is very, very traditional. Shhh, don't tell anyone. They might get the wrong impression. To hear Noble tell it, other churches are old fashioned and "do" church wrong, while his does it right. Seems to me they have the same plan. Oh, sorry. I thought it was in-reach rather than outreach.

I still think church should be about sending people out rather than bringing them in. It truly reminds me of the 1950s style evangelism and revival techniques that PNoble and friends always malign.

For such a progressive reputation, NS is very, very traditional. Shhh, don’t tell anyone. They might get the wrong impression.

To hear Noble tell it, other churches are old fashioned and “do” church wrong, while his does it right. Seems to me they have the same plan.

]]> By: Seth http://www.pajamapages.com/introducing-the-turnstile-church/comment-page-2/#comment-4034 Seth Sat, 20 Jun 2009 02:53:49 +0000 http://www.jduncan.com/blog/?p=2329#comment-4034 Tommy F That is their outreach, it is a cool place to bring kids where they can have fun, invite nonbelievers, and build relationships with the nonbelievers. They can also fellowship with each other and have room to study the scriptures through Bible studys and still be able to stay fit by being active on the feild. I think it provides great chances for outreach to the community. Tommy F

That is their outreach, it is a cool place to bring kids where they can have fun, invite nonbelievers, and build relationships with the nonbelievers. They can also fellowship with each other and have room to study the scriptures through Bible studys and still be able to stay fit by being active on the feild. I think it provides great chances for outreach to the community.

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