He says “how do you know the salvations at NS are real? The answer you don’t”.

Now at the risk of being Ad hominem (not really but I wanted to use your fallacy phrase for effect) His question/response begs the logical question “how do you know they’re not?” Which he may respond and say by your fruit you will know them. Which in itself is a logical fallacy because I doubt he knows every single person who has attended, does attend, NS.

I know that asking for logic to be a basis of argument when religious belief is involved is a stretch. But because most Christians (see I’m creating a fallacy for effect) are mindless sheep (maybe goats) doesn’t mean we can at least argue effectively.

Now that’s Ad Hominem Tu Quoque.

Is it possible for you to post a single comment without an ad hominem attack. “mom’s blog” among others.

It is possible.

For instance:

This whole deal is sad on both sides, as I’ve stated many times, but neither party is without guilt. I’m not understanding the logic of “Perry incited his congregation by his words” and “The words I write on my blog regardless of what I say don’t incite people.”

I also don’t understand why or rather how Perry Noble didn’t specifically say JDuncan is my critic yet gets the culpability card played on him. Yet JDuncan gets upset when his name is not mentioned as “the individual”. If we are in the least bit charitable it could be assumed that for JDuncans safety and fear of another crazy/rogue NS’er his name was left anonymous. It’s duplicitous in my mind. A simple google search would yield a number of results from PN critics. And yet not everyone of them has had to deal with what JDuncan has had to deal with.

The timelines don’t make sense: An article written two years ago. The first post in February 2009 on PP about Noble and Lamb. A meeting in March (or February) and the staffer was terminated in either late Sept. or early October. None of that adds up to “I didn’t start blogging about NS until March”. I don’t have dates on the Tweets but I don’t think it’s untimely for 6 months to elapse from the first Tweet, for police investigations to happen, supeona’s being issued, internal investigations happening, meetings, and then termination. It took longer for me to track down and have arrested someone who bounced a check to me.

Furthermore if the police investigated it and haven’t arrested anyone then I’m assuming that they didn’t find cause. Or charges weren’t pressed. ??????

I don’t need answers, I’m not owed answers, these are just the things that don’t make sense in my mind. Neither does someone who tweets what they did and the harassment they perpetrated on the Duncans.

And by the way, I went to NS faithfully years ago..I was one of the “saved”(in quotes b/c i wasnt really). I felt the warm fuzzies and listened to everything PN said. I was never more miserable.
I’m definately not a NS hater, but i do hate lies. I hate sin. I hate the “game”.

Newspring and Perry Noble had a “choice” to read here and made a conscious choice to attempt to ruin a man’s life. NS could have chosen to ignore this blog but PN seems to have an obsession with critics and loves to take potshots at them along the way. A minister should be beyond reproach and unfortunately the self appointed Pastor Noble is far from that.

Um…not exactly. JDuncan wrote an article taking to task NS and then requested to speak with them multiple times. Then began this very public blog.

Sam you’re old hat at this old blog game and you should have better logic skills. Maybe your mom’s blog needs some upgrades.

AND how do you know that the salvations are real at NS? You know this for a fact? Interesting?

Charles Finney thought at one time that his converts were real as well. Finney is where we get the modern day practice of the altar call.

I wonder if you think the protestant reformation should have ever happened….A lot of criticism of the church went on there too..

How about the criticism today when talking about Benny Hinn, Osteen, etc. Should there be no criticism at all?

Newspring and Perry Noble had a “choice” to read here and made a conscious choice to attempt to ruin a man’s life. NS could have chosen to ignore this blog but PN seems to have an obsession with critics and loves to take potshots at them along the way. A minister should be beyond reproach and unfortunately the self appointed Pastor Noble is far from that.

I didn’t start blogging about NewSpring until March, and this meeting was April 1. If they start their post with such an easily refutable error, how much confidence can you have in what else they write?

Yeah but you wrote the article to the newspaper in 2007. You also state in an April 2009 blog post that you have spoken/requested to speak to Perry Noble on many occasions privately.

While you may be an excellent communications professor your argumentation skills and logic are a little rough.

Not sure who you are but it is quite evident that you lack the where with all to abstain from your criticism, judgment, and/or thoughts about anything.

Your defense is comical really. Tragic what happened but your continued diatribe and rebuttals of anything smacking of support for NS is really telling.

You wrote: “My lesson for my future children (and I suppose my own criticism against this entire situation) is to learn not to speak against others or denounce practices. I will hope that I can teach my children to look for a better solution or better path for them to follow rather than denouncing the direction of others.”

This statement shows that you have no standards by which to judge the very blog you’re judging and denouncing. Your kids are going to be confused by your judgments and denouncements while not setting the standards by which to do so.

Good luck.