More bad advice… 25

If someone is wrong & you know them-talk to them. If you don’t know them-pray for them. If you can’t do either-shut up

This is awfully convenient isn’t it?

1.) You can’t get to know Steven…he’s way too famous.

2.) Therefore, don’t talk about what he does wrong. Only pray for  for him.

3.) Shut up.


I don’t see any reason to create  a class of untouchable celebrity leaders that are above being held accountable. These guys are scared to death of criticism.

25 thoughts on “More bad advice…

  1. TeeBee Jul 27, 2009 3:26 pm

    What would the response be to:

    “We trust our own friends and leadership that we have around us to keep us accountable. We assume that if our friends are pursuing Jesus they have a good enough perspective on life to call each other out.”??

  2. David J Jul 27, 2009 4:01 pm

    These men are rebellious and they know they are wrong. This is why they have created this man-made wall of defense. The more I read from Furtick the more concerned I become about him and the people following his carnal advice.

  3. Micah Taylor Jul 27, 2009 5:03 pm

    Why would you be unable to pray for someone?

  4. James Downing Jul 28, 2009 11:00 am

    TeeBee – While that is much more polite, it is still an unwise stance for a pastor to take. Shouldn’t we be willing to listen to any brother in Christ who has a legitimate scriptural gripe? Shouldn’t a pastor desire accountability beyond a hand-selected group of friends?

  5. TeeBee Jul 28, 2009 1:57 pm

    James Downing,

    I agree.

  6. Anthony Jul 28, 2009 10:37 pm

    SCOREBOARD! SCOREBOARD! SCOREBOARD! The reason Perry and Brad Cooper say that is because the only reason we are called to this Earth is to reach those who dont know Him. Newspring, Elevation and all the other churches on here that you losers bash day in and day out save people from the gates of hell. Do you honestly think that by reading this blog, non-believers are going to see Jesus in it? That answer is NO! Newspring and Elevation are preaching Jesus and rescuing lives unlike all of you so I will end my post the way I started it SCOREBOARD! SCOREBOARD! SCOREBOARD!

  7. Albert Jul 28, 2009 10:40 pm


    What’s the score right now?

  8. TeeBee Jul 29, 2009 12:10 am


    Actually I get to see people come to know Christ quite often, but you’re right I’m not rescuing lives, Christ is. and it’s amazing that God lets me get to be a part of His story.

    and you’re right I don’t honestly think that by reading this blog, non-believers are going to see (or come to) Jesus in it.

    What I honestly think/hope is that believers read this blog and question the reasons things are said/done and make sure it lines up with Scripture.

    I do believe we should be kingdom focused and setting our mind eternal things. However, we cannot disregard scripture and truth for any reason. They work together, thinking on eternal implications while applying truth to our lives.

    It’s important to ask the questions that are being asked. It’s not important to church/preacher bash, but to question and wrestle with things, so that we proclaim Christ as who He is.

    Be careful as you sling around titles like “losers” and whatnot towards your brothers in Christ who are honestly pursuing truth, and hopefully trying to:

    “test everything and hold on to what is good” -1 Thessalonians 5.21

    much love bro.

  9. James Duncan Jul 29, 2009 12:49 am

    Anthony, you said, “The only reason we are called to this Earth is to reach those who dont know Him.”

    The only reason?

    It is reassuring, though, to know that Jesus really, really needs us.

  10. Micah Taylor Jul 29, 2009 3:18 am


    “Newspring, Elevation and all the other churches on here that you losers bash day in and day out save people from the gates of hell.”

    It’s good to know churches can save people now.

    Jesus’ job just got a lot easier.

  11. Micah Taylor Jul 29, 2009 3:39 am

    Another revelation:
    “the only reason we are called to this Earth is to reach those who dont know Him.”

    I sure would’ve hated to be Adam… what a meaningless life he lived…

    … and any of the OT Prophets… seeing as how their audiences already knew YHWH…

    …and on a lesser note, I would’ve hated to be Noah

    …also Moses …and Job …and David

  12. sam Jul 29, 2009 8:45 am

    Too bad Gary Lamb didnt listen to his critics.

    Did you see his latest:

    2 things stand out:

    ” But, I don’t feel my sin eliminates my calling. I feel called to Canton and if God will allow me to, when the time is right, I will start another church in Canton.”


    ” I’m staying until God moves me and I don’t see that happening at this time.”

    Wow, Gary presumes to know what God will do. Dangerous stuff. Gary is prime example of not having accountability

  13. Matt Jul 29, 2009 9:13 am

    I appreciate your passions for your church and your love for you pastoral leadership. I would certainly encourage, however, that you study Ephesians 4:1-16. I understand that you could call the same on the contributors of this blog; however, an earnest pursuit of truth, and causing people to question their motives and heart in every matter isn’t an act of hate, but an act of great love.
    Regardless of your perceptions of this site, the purpose has never been to create another team of Christians. Please follow this link to read more about Dr. Duncan’s true intentions for this blog.

    “I therefore, a prisoner for the Lord, urge you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling to which you have been called, with all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.”
    Ephesians 4:1-3

    Love you man.

  14. James Downing Jul 29, 2009 10:12 am

    Sam – That post by Lamb is truely unbelievable and shows his true heart.

  15. Anthony Jul 29, 2009 11:00 am

    Losers was wayyyyy out of context! you guys ever write something when you are upset? That’s what happened so I truly apologize. As far as Gary Lamb, I follow him on twiiter and I did read his blog yesterday. I have never listened to his sermons, I just know he was/is a great friend to my pastor and he was as shocked as anyone about his downfall. The one thing I will say is that we should be careful because we dont know God’s plan for him, maybe he is truly called to Canton Georgia and God is going to use this hopeless situation to provide just the opposite as only He can. BUT…I definitely dont think church planting should be on Gary’s mind right now unless he knows for sure that God is speaking to him regarding that. I sometimes think the way Gary says things (as well as Perry and Steven) can me mis-understood. I know you all are not questioning their love for the church, but maybe they honestly hear from God that way and word it in a sense that can be construed. Just a thought. Again sorry for the losers comment.

  16. James Downing Jul 29, 2009 11:29 am

    Anthony – I appreciate your humility and apology. All I will say about Lamb right now is imagine what it will do to his old church if he plants a new church in the same small town. To me, this is not a man who is seeking the Kingdom.

  17. Jim W Jul 29, 2009 11:53 am

    Interesting writing going on here. I’ve been following along the Gary Lamb story and saw his latest posts. Sorry to say, I just don’t see real, positive repentance expressed in any of his writings about the situation. Oh, sure, he’s claimed that he messed up real bad, but I just don’t get the sense of repentance that I get when I read David after his affair with Bathsheba. Granted, Gary isn’t a poet like David, but still…

  18. Anthony Jul 29, 2009 1:09 pm

    James–I cant argue with that at all. I actually have thought about that and I honestly cant imagine how they would feel. But if it is God’s plan for that to happen, He will see it through because if God is not involved, it wont last. Correct?

  19. James Duncan Jul 29, 2009 1:30 pm

    Perry Noble knows and loves Gary Lamb. What do Gary’s statements tell us about what Noble is telling him?

    Perhaps it would be better for Lamb to listen to people who DON’T know him.

  20. James Downing Jul 29, 2009 1:33 pm

    Anthony – Incorrect. May thiongs are long lasting that have nothing to do with God.

  21. James Downing Jul 29, 2009 1:34 pm

    Sorry for the typos. Should have said “many things”

  22. tara Jul 29, 2009 3:36 pm

    Gary’s latest twitter:

    RT @ChrisElrod: Leaders – those that have followed you the longest may be the ones to attack you the hardest.

    aren’t we supposed to be FOLLOWING God?

  23. James Downing Jul 29, 2009 3:42 pm

    Is Gary still giving leadership advice? Seriously?

  24. Michael Jul 29, 2009 4:18 pm

    “if it is God’s plan for that to happen, He will see it through because if God is not involved, it wont last. Correct?” – Anthony

    I also used to struggle with this as well. I would always assume that God wouldn’t allow a ministry that is doing things wrong, and that claims His name, to thrive, but I’ve realized that this logic doesn’t always work.

  25. James Downing Jul 29, 2009 4:40 pm

    For a full explanation of WHY that isn’t correct:

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