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		<title>By: James Downing</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Downing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 23:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is not what they attribute to bringing people to their church. They rely on cool music, high-end production, and dropping easter eggs from helicopters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is not what they attribute to bringing people to their church. They rely on cool music, high-end production, and dropping easter eggs from helicopters.</p>
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		<title>By: JT</title>
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		<dc:creator>JT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 23:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Downing, you said, &quot;That is not the position of Furtick or Noble.&quot;

Do you really think that Noble and/or Furtick deny that the Holy Spirit works in the hearts of unbelievers and draws them to Himself?

Really?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Downing, you said, &#8220;That is not the position of Furtick or Noble.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you really think that Noble and/or Furtick deny that the Holy Spirit works in the hearts of unbelievers and draws them to Himself?</p>
<p>Really?!</p>
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		<title>By: MW</title>
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		<dc:creator>MW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In terms of the argument at hand...

I love the idea of being culturally relevant but the idea of being seeker sensitive in church isn&#039;t a biblical one. If the non-believer is attracted to anything it should be our worship. That seems to be what was going on in Acts 2 when &quot;God added to their numbers daily who were being saved.&quot; It seems from the context of that verse that God draws men to a people or church that live out the truth of the gospel in every way (repentance, fellowship, servanthood and worship being the 4 responses laid out in Acts 2). 

Those who are being drawn by God will be attracted to a Church that is responding this way to the gospel of Jesus Christ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In terms of the argument at hand&#8230;</p>
<p>I love the idea of being culturally relevant but the idea of being seeker sensitive in church isn&#8217;t a biblical one. If the non-believer is attracted to anything it should be our worship. That seems to be what was going on in Acts 2 when &#8220;God added to their numbers daily who were being saved.&#8221; It seems from the context of that verse that God draws men to a people or church that live out the truth of the gospel in every way (repentance, fellowship, servanthood and worship being the 4 responses laid out in Acts 2). </p>
<p>Those who are being drawn by God will be attracted to a Church that is responding this way to the gospel of Jesus Christ.</p>
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		<title>By: MW</title>
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		<dc:creator>MW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anthony,

Don&#039;t let your disagreements here keep you from Sproul. I don&#039;t agree with 100% of the posts on here but Sproul has some great things to say and knows the Bible and the confessions better than most anyone I&#039;ve ever read. 

Two Great books by sproul are &quot;Chosen by God&quot; and &quot;The Holiness of God.&quot; Also, &quot;Essential Truths of the Cristian Faith&quot; can be a great book to start with. It deals with the confessions of Faith and explains them through scripture. You should check them out.

The awesome thing about Sproul is that he is not only extremely well versed in scripture but he has extensive knowledge on History. He also knows his Greek and Hebrew better than most pastors out there. 

He just put out the &quot;Reformation Study Bible&quot; too. It is in the ESV translation and is a very useful study guide to scripture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony,</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t let your disagreements here keep you from Sproul. I don&#8217;t agree with 100% of the posts on here but Sproul has some great things to say and knows the Bible and the confessions better than most anyone I&#8217;ve ever read. </p>
<p>Two Great books by sproul are &#8220;Chosen by God&#8221; and &#8220;The Holiness of God.&#8221; Also, &#8220;Essential Truths of the Cristian Faith&#8221; can be a great book to start with. It deals with the confessions of Faith and explains them through scripture. You should check them out.</p>
<p>The awesome thing about Sproul is that he is not only extremely well versed in scripture but he has extensive knowledge on History. He also knows his Greek and Hebrew better than most pastors out there. </p>
<p>He just put out the &#8220;Reformation Study Bible&#8221; too. It is in the ESV translation and is a very useful study guide to scripture.</p>
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		<title>By: James Downing</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Downing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JT - That is not the position of Furtick or Noble. Unless of course, your decoder ring is telling you something I haven&#039;t seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JT &#8211; That is not the position of Furtick or Noble. Unless of course, your decoder ring is telling you something I haven&#8217;t seen.</p>
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		<title>By: JT</title>
		<link>http://www.pajamapages.com/nice-perspective-from-furtick/comment-page-2/#comment-4973</link>
		<dc:creator>JT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Downing,

And through these experiences and excellent preaching at churches, the Holy Spirit will draw whom He will. For others, it will fall on deaf ears- no matter how excellent the music or preaching may be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Downing,</p>
<p>And through these experiences and excellent preaching at churches, the Holy Spirit will draw whom He will. For others, it will fall on deaf ears- no matter how excellent the music or preaching may be.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>maybe it was the Easter Egg drop where Elevation gave away prizes. Maybe it was the &quot;Bringing Sexy Back&quot; sermon series. 

JT, Sproul&#039;s biblical assertion is that only the regenerate seek God. It is not just semantics. If so, you would have to say that all the seekers are regenerate that come to Elevation or NS. And you know that is not the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maybe it was the Easter Egg drop where Elevation gave away prizes. Maybe it was the &#8220;Bringing Sexy Back&#8221; sermon series. </p>
<p>JT, Sproul&#8217;s biblical assertion is that only the regenerate seek God. It is not just semantics. If so, you would have to say that all the seekers are regenerate that come to Elevation or NS. And you know that is not the case.</p>
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		<title>By: James Downing</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Downing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.pajamapages.com/?p=2552
Don&#039;t see anything about the Holy Spirit drawing anyone, just enabling experiences and excellent preaching.</description>
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Don&#8217;t see anything about the Holy Spirit drawing anyone, just enabling experiences and excellent preaching.</p>
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		<title>By: JT</title>
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		<dc:creator>JT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>R.C. Sproul is an excellent teacher. God has blessed me through him.

Scripture is pretty clear on two counts regarding &quot;seekers&quot;: 1) Nobody seeks God without His Spirit calling them, 2) Christians are called to preach the gospel to the whole world.

I think you are all going down the road of an argument over semantics here. The truth is that the &quot;seekers&quot; that these churches reach out are being drawn by the Holy Spirit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R.C. Sproul is an excellent teacher. God has blessed me through him.</p>
<p>Scripture is pretty clear on two counts regarding &#8220;seekers&#8221;: 1) Nobody seeks God without His Spirit calling them, 2) Christians are called to preach the gospel to the whole world.</p>
<p>I think you are all going down the road of an argument over semantics here. The truth is that the &#8220;seekers&#8221; that these churches reach out are being drawn by the Holy Spirit.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may read some stuff from him, after I get through the books I have already put on the back burner...im kind of a book addict :) What are some of the books that he has written? Even though I disagree with some of his views initially, I always love to learn. Not a big fan of Piper though and since I disagree with 99.9% of the views on this website, im kind of wary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may read some stuff from him, after I get through the books I have already put on the back burner&#8230;im kind of a book addict <img src='http://www.pajamapages.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  What are some of the books that he has written? Even though I disagree with some of his views initially, I always love to learn. Not a big fan of Piper though and since I disagree with 99.9% of the views on this website, im kind of wary.</p>
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