Noble rescinds the Ten Commandments for 2015 356

(1/2/2015: Updated with NewSpring’s response. See at the end of the post.)

On Christmas Eve, Perry Noble gifted the world a rewritten Ten Commandments. In so doing, he contradicted Scripture, celebrated his ignorance of the Bible, and ultimately rejected the gospel.

NewSpring was excited that God had given Noble a new Christmas Eve message

NewSpring was excited that God had given Noble a new Christmas Eve message

NewSpring had repeated its Christmas service during the week before Christmas day, yet before the final pre-Christmas service, word went out over the NewSpring social media grapevine that Noble had a new sermon, so everybody should come back to hear it.

Noble raised the stakes at the outset, saying that God had told him the previous day that he needed to deliver this sermon. After some of Noble’s staff confirmed for him that he had heard God speak, Noble wrote the sermon in ten minutes. It showed, but it also provided a disquieting glimpse into Noble’s biblical illiteracy. More than illiteracy, it was biblical rebellion.

Noble denies the Commandments

Noble spent Christmas eve explaining away all ten commandments

Noble spent Christmas Eve explaining away all ten Commandments

Noble’s premise was that what we erroneously know as the Ten Commandments aren’t really commandments. They’re just God’s promises.

He knows this because a Jewish friend who was driving him around Israel told him that there’s no Hebrew word for command. Noble acknowledges that he knows no Hebrew (as if that’s an acceptable thing for a preacher to remain ignorant of), so he takes his driver’s word as fact. Noble describes his friend as being to him as Mr. Miyagi is to the Karate Kid. “I just love this man,” Noble says. “He is full of wisdom. He loves Jesus. …He’s just an amazing man of God, and he’s teaching me the Bible. I’m trying to spend as much time with him as possible and he’s teaching me the Bible.” His friend is a poor teacher, and Noble is an even worse student.

Noble’s tutor tells him that the Ten Commandments are a mirage. Initially, Noble is surprised.

This is weird, because I’ve been around the Ten Commandments all my life. But in the original Hebrew language, there’s no word for command, so it couldn’t have been the Ten Commandments. He said it’s best translated as the Ten Sayings. Then he said this: ‘You could also interpret it as the Ten Promises of God.’ Instead of Ten Commandments that you have to keep if you’re going to be a follower of Jesus, they’re actually ten promises that you can receive when you say yes to Jesus.

Noble then announces that he is going to persuade his audience to say yes to Jesus because they no longer have to worry about obeying the commandments. Before we get to his rewritten commandments, let’s quickly debunk his erroneous premise.

The entire Old Testament is full of references to God’s commands and to the Ten Commandments in particular. In fact, in Deuteronomy 5, the second presentation of the Ten Commandments, God follows the list by repeatedly referring to his law as commands.

Oh that they had such a heart as this always, to fear me and to keep all my commandments, that it might go well with them and with their descendants forever! Go and say to them, “Return to your tents.”

But you, stand here by me, and I will tell you the whole commandment and the statutes and the rules that you shall teach them, that they may do them in the land that I am giving them to possess.’

You shall be careful therefore to do as the LORD your God has commanded you. You shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left.

You shall walk in all the way that the LORD your God has commanded you, that you may live, and that it may go well with you, and that you may live long in the land that you shall possess.

Now this is the commandment—the statutes and the rules—that the LORD your God commanded me to teach you, that you may do them. (Deut 5:29-6:1)

Obviously, the Hebrew word for command is an essential part of the Old Testament. What Noble’s Bible teacher may have been referring to was that the Torah didn’t formally label the list as the Ten Commandments, instead presenting them as ten sayings. Even so, a saying can be a commandment without having to be labeled as such. And we see in Deut 5 that God Himself called them commandments. Noble and his teacher are both very wrong.

A quick Google search would have torpedoed Noble's sermon

A quick Google search would have torpedoed Noble’s sermon

(For a man who has assumed the responsibility of pastoring around 40,000 people, why couldn’t he have spent just a few minutes consulting a concordance, calling someone who does know Hebrew, or even Googling it? Even Google knows Noble’s claim is incorrect.)

From the New Testament, we see that Jesus understood them as commandments in his response to the rich young man in Matthew 19.

“If you would enter life, keep the commandments.” He said to him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

For Jesus, commandments referred to the list we know as the Ten Commandments (even though he abbreviated the list here).

Right away, we have a problem with Jesus’ advice if we are to take Noble’s teaching seriously. Noble says that being a Christian doesn’t require obedience, yet Jesus insists on it. The point of Jesus’ exchange with the rich young man was that it was impossible for anyone to actually keep the commandments. The disciples see the problem, to their horror.

When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?” But Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

To be saved we must obey the Ten Commandments, but we can’t, so it’s impossible for us to be saved by anything we do. The only way to salvation is though the Mediator that God graciously provides for us and whose perfect obedience he credits to us. This is the gospel of grace and the wonder of Christ.

If the commandments don’t even need to be obeyed, there’s nothing to be saved from and no need for the Mediator. All we need to do, in Noble’s formulation, is to say yes to Jesus, something that even this rich young man couldn’t do.

Noble is denying the gospel, not preaching it.

Noble rewrites the Commandments

Noble compounds his error by arbitrarily rewriting what’s left of the commandments to make them palatable for nonbelievers, even though he’s told us that they’re legally irrelevant. Noble presents his version by starting with the original biblical commandment, then wiping it off the screen and replacing it with his own version. God’s commands appeared on Noble’s big screen for 4 minutes and 12 seconds, but Noble’s commandments got 20:41 of screen time. Here’s what Noble wishes the commandments could be:

1) You shall have no other gods before me becomes You do not have to live in constant disappointment anymore.

Noble intimates that the command is selfish and unreasonable. (Check his body language at 35:36 on the video as he wags his finger, as if angry and demanding.) This sets the tone for the rest of Noble’s revision in which commandments that are focused on God and others become favors focused on us. God exists to make us happy.

2) You shall not make an image becomes You can be free from rituals and religion and trust in a relationship.

Noble talks about people who think incorrectly that their good religious works like church attendance and Bible reading will save them. That point is correct, but by rejecting the concept of the law in the first place, Noble has created a system where good works aren’t even necessary. If there’s no offense against God through breaking his law, there’s no need for reconciliation and no need for the Savior. In Noble’s universe, there’d be no Jesus for anyone to say yes to.

3) You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain becomes You can trust in a name that’s above every name.

Noble complains that Christians have butchered the commandment by prohibiting people from saying darn, a point illustrated with a story about being freaked out by a witch mannequin at a party store. Such is biblical exposition at NewSpring.

4) Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy becomes You can rest.

This is another one that Noble claims that Christians have butchered, thinking that God would kill them for doing yard work on Sunday. Given that Noble had already cancelled church for the following Sunday, it was important for him to ignore the clear meaning of this one. Sabbath breakers prefer not to preach too much about this commandment. Moving on…

5) Honor your father and mother becomes Your family does not have to fall apart.

He complains that parents use this as a “spiritual grenade” by teaching their children that the Bible tells them to honor and obey their children. This is improper, says Noble, because there’s no Hebrew word for command.

Like the Sabbath commandment, this is another awkward one for NewSpring, which often encourages its youth to reject parental authority in favor of NewSpring’s programs and teachings. Common in these parts are stories of families being torn apart by children and young adults who break from their Christian parents in favor of NewSpring, or leave college against their parents’ wishes to attend NewSpring College. NewSpring leaders know that big family events like Christmas often precipitate family conflict over NewSpring, so they prepare young people with articles like this one published in early December entitled My Family Thinks I Belong To A Cult. If young people don’t have to honor their parents, they can’t be talked out of their cults.

6) You shall not murder becomes You do not have to live in a constant state of anger because you will be motivated by love and not hate.

Noble uses this as yet another opportunity to beat up on other Christians.

I think one of the things that bothers me most about Christians is how hateful we seem to come across sometimes. I mean, we’re just mean. And we tend to be mean at people that are very different from us. Theologically, if you don’t agree just like me, I’m going to be mean to you. Moralistically, if you don’t agree with me then I’m going to be mean to you. But then, as we read about the person of Jesus, he just wasn’t mean to very many people (except the Pharisees–called then sons of hell), but to other people, he’s just this loving guy.

Yet again, Noble ignores the sin problem that requires the gospel. God hates sin, and because we were sinners, God hated us. (Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.) Because God’s hate is righteous, it’s holy and good, unlike ours. As we saw earlier, Jesus proclaimed the need to obey God’s law, which is impossible to do perfectly, making us lawbreakers and enemies of God. The good news is that, for those God gave to him, Jesus mediates between us and God with his perfect obedience, meaning that we meet God as our adoptive father rather than as an avenging judge.

Without an understanding of God’s terrifying hate, his love is meaningless.

7) You shall not commit adultery becomes You do not have to live a life dominated by the guilt, pain and shame associated with sexual sin.

Perhaps Noble could tell us what now constitutes sexual sin if there are no commandments regulating sexual behavior. From whence comes the guilt and shame if there is no law forbidding anything? By Noble’s logic, you’re free to commit adultery (whatever that is now) so that you can experience the blessing of having your shame removed.

Noble proudly claims that, unlike most other preachers, he likes to talk about sex and thinks that it’s good so long as it’s in the context of a heterosexual marriage. The problem is that by removing the law against sex outside of marriage, there’s nothing morally commendable or God pleasing about marital sex. Noble promises God’s forgiveness for sexual sin, but there’s no need for forgiveness if there have been no laws broken. By revoking the law, Noble erases the blessing.

8) You shall not steal becomes I will provide.

Noble prefaces this by saying that he actually thinks this is a good command (God must be relieved), but it makes a better promise. Noble assures us that God provides for his children, though his examples limit God’s provision to material benefits. His interpretation of God’s paternal care being linked to American commercialism would surprise believers in other parts of the world and other eras.

9) You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor becomes You do not have to pretend.

Contrary to what you understand from a plain reading of Scripture, this is not intended to benefit your neighbor; it’s really designed for your emotional self indulgence. It’s hermeneutical solipsism; the Bible’s all about me.

Cue another anti-Christian rant:

Church people are famous for pretending. Seriously. Every week in church it’s Halloween. People dress up in costumes, pretending to be someone that they’re really not. It’s a shackle that religion has held on people for far too long….When you know Jesus, you don’t have to pretend for a bunch of people who don’t know him anyway.

All those other non-NewSpring churches, in other words, are full of liars who aren’t actually Christians. (If NewSpringers ever wonder why parents worry that their kids have joined a cult, preaching like this is a clue.)

Noble doesn’t truly believe in removing his own masks and being fully transparent, however. As Chris Rosebrough was first to document, earlier in the sermon Noble accidentally used the N-word while recounting a conversation he’d had with a single friend about whether he should just buy himself a dog over his wife’s objections. Noble said, “I was like, ‘N*****, ca…'” at which point he stopped being honest and changed the topic. In the context of the moment, the word could be nothing else but what it sounded like, and it suggests that he regularly addresses someone in his life by that awful term.

Contrary to Noble’s hypocritical call to full transparency, some things ought to remain opaque. This side of heaven, we’re sinners with thoughts and desires that all-too-frequently violate all ten commandments. With the Holy Spirit’s sanctifying help, we work to make our fallen hearts fully subject to God’s moral law, but it is good for us and all of our neighbors that we keep most our internal ugliness just between ourselves and the Holy Spirit. The ability to do that is part of God’s common grace that holds societies together.

10) You shall not covet becomes I will be enough.

Noble starts by saying that the command against coveting donkeys, oxen or servants seems irrelevant, so he has to wrestle with this one. Now that he’s discovered that it’s not actually a command, he doesn’t have to worry about coveting donkeys any more.

If the true meaning of this command was that God was enough, God had already stated this in the preface to the Commandments when he reminded his people, “I am the Lord you God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt.” This is not the same as the command that we must not covet.


Noble finishes the sermon by telling his audience that he has given them ten reasons to say yes to Christ, then leads them in a prayer that starts, “Jesus Christ, I know that I’m a sinner and I need your forgiveness. I believe you died on the cross and you rose from the grave to pay for my sin. I receive your payment.”

There was nothing in the sermon that supported any of the points in the prayer. How would Noble’s audience know they were sinners? Noble erased the law, so nobody in his audience ought to think of themselves as sinners. What laws have they broken that require forgiveness?

There’s nothing in the sermon to explain the need for Christ (besides him being someone that for some reason pleads for us to say yes to him), nor why he would need to die on a cross. Why was the resurrection important, especially when the cross seems unnecessary? What is Jesus paying for, and why is it me that’s receiving the payment? It’s backwards. God receives the payment because I cannot possibly pay. Jesus was sacrificed for me, not to me.

After the prayer, Noble tells those who prayed to sign a name tag to show that they have “nailed it down” with God. Hearing the gospel is a prerequisite to faith and repentance (Rom 10:14), yet nobody at NewSpring that night heard the gospel preached. Nevertheless, Noble confidently assured scores of people that they had just become right with God.

If it still actually mattered, to many of his hearers such a claim would have seriously violated the Ninth Commandment.

Update

NewSpring’s public relations director sent the following reply to a series of questions I had sent asking if Noble stood by his claim that there is no Hebrew word for command, if he still thinks God told him to deliver the message, if he had said the N-word in the sermon, and if he ever used it with other people.

We do stand by the message Perry gave to our church on December 24, 2015, and we do believe the Lord prompted Perry to deliver it as he did.

In regards to your question about the ‘N’ word, Perry doesn’t use that word and doesn’t address anyone in his life by such a word.  He did not use that word in his message and what you perceived as him doing so was [a] matter of words getting jumbled as can happen with anyone who is speaking.

356 thoughts on “Noble rescinds the Ten Commandments for 2015

  1. Stephanie Jan 4, 2015 5:44 pm

    James, keep up the good work Brother. Slick-talkers like this Perry Noble need to be exposed. Belittling and changing God’s Word is one of the most evil things anyone can do. We are required by the Lord to point out false teaching and false teachers, which Noble is at this point. I pray Noble reads this and repents. His soul is at stake as well as the people following him. God bless!

  2. Becky Jan 4, 2015 6:06 pm

    My daughter and I attended a NewSpring satellite church back in the Spring at the invite of a friend. All she ever talked about was the great things that Perry was doing. It was a Perry did this, Perry did that, etc. The red flags were out for me because as the Christian that I knew she was, I never heard her say “God is doing great things here.” It was always Perry. It did not take long for my 17 year old daughter to recognize the signs that something was amiss. Although Perry was not preaching that day, the person who was, manipulated the Scriptures to try and fit whatever message he was trying to preach. The message was cut very short because of a disruption in the fed. I see it as God’s divine intervention. My daughter and I made a hastily exit and walked as fast as we could to our car. On a side note, when NewSpring first came to town, they were asked by several members of the community who were members at that time for a copy of their budget and were refused out right. Not knowing if this is still customary or not, I would be alarmed at the lack of any transparency within any church.

    • Patrick Jan 4, 2015 6:32 pm

      Newspring posts their entire budget on their website.

      • Jordan Jan 4, 2015 6:57 pm

        Sure, NS posts its budget, but it doesn’t post the exorbitant salaries of its senior pastors because they are embarrassingly high. Revealing these salaries would surely invite heightened criticism and possibly decreased giving.

        • Patrick Jan 4, 2015 7:03 pm

          Should Perry Noble have to post how high his salary is? It’s not anyone’s business and if people base how much they give on how much their pastors make then they aren’t giving it to God and out of their heart. That’s a bold thing to say people would give less if they knew how much their pastors make… If your pastor made 100,000 a year would you decide to only give 5%? If so then you have this tithing thing all wrong. If you want to see what newsprint does with their money as far as missions, and sponsoring other churches, etc. it’s on their website.

          • Jordan Jan 4, 2015 8:37 pm

            Yes, I think the owners (as Perry himself calls them) of Newspring deserve to know how much their CEO is making. After all, it’s their money that supplies his salary. Would you give money to NS if you knew Noble was making $1 million per year? $3 million? How much is too much? Additionally, wouldn’t you just prefer that your pastor be committed to a life of humility and poverty? I certainly would.

          • Sara Jan 4, 2015 10:35 pm

            Patrick,

            You ask if Perry should have to post his salary.

            Answer: Yes.

          • Joe Jan 5, 2015 1:36 pm

            Yes, he should post his salary. He is accountable to his people as all leaders are. If I agree with how my church operates I stay there. If not, I should leave and find one I do agree with

          • Victoria Jan 5, 2015 2:13 pm

            I know how much my pastor makes. My church isn’t afraid of people knowing that.

          • Jamie Jan 8, 2015 8:45 pm

            So, is tithing a “command”?

            Hold on here. So we are not commanded to keep the 10 Commandments, but we are commanded to tithe. Hmmmm.

          • Victoria Jan 8, 2015 9:05 pm

            Um, when did I say we shouldn’t keep the Ten? We should. The Ten are laws for all times, all places, all people, and SHOULD be kept.

  3. Louie Lawson Jan 4, 2015 6:19 pm

    Maybe I missed it, but I don’t see any mention of who authored this article. Where can I find this sermon to watch it for myself?????? Maybe everyone should review Matthew 22: 34-39 .

  4. Jeff Jan 4, 2015 7:05 pm

    Some of you traditionalists need to wake up. If you have watched any of Perry’s services, you know he has one goal. That goal is bringing people to Jesus. Christians criticizing Christians just like they like to judge non-Christians. Biggest hypocrites ever.

    • Warren Jan 5, 2015 12:08 pm

      Jeff, as Christians it is our duty to criticize and judge those within the church according to the Bible (1 Corinthians 5:12-13). It also calls us to watch out for those who split the doctrine of Christ and teach things that are contrary it (Romans 16:17-18). While I agree with you that it is not our place to judge non-Christians, it is our place to call out those within the church who deviate from the teachings of God so that we may lead others to true righteousness.

    • Floyd Jan 5, 2015 2:27 pm

      Perry Noble criticizes Christians in every paragraph, or did you miss that? Is it okay when he does it? Who is being a hypocrite here?

  5. Bill B. Jan 4, 2015 7:38 pm

    The one thing that seems to be lost on the Perry Noble defenders, when they start with “well just look at the numbers” stuff is that numbers don’t mean anything when the content is shallow at best and unbiblical at worst. It’s the same story every time. “You can’t criticize Perry because he does so much good, sees so many people saved”. Well first off, I would question the number of people saved in churches like NewSpring and Elevation, etc. The gospel is only hinted at, and then it’s just to get people to come forward, using emotional music and sappy drawn out invitations.
    Secondly, we are never told to have a goal of 100,000 people who “say” they’ve accepted Christ, or any number for that matter. We are simply called to preach the whole gospel, and to make disciples.

  6. Rich Jan 4, 2015 7:41 pm

    No Mr. Perry shouldn’t have to post it, the people that pay him should disclose that information. If you want to run the body of Christ like a business then you must comply with the rules they go by. Don’t get all religious all of a sudden because you want to hide something with “Tithing rationalization”. There is no New Testament tithe and anyone that strokes a check based on the Old Testament teachings of “Robbing God” have been deceived. The price of the Gospel today is cheap anyway, stroke a check and you are covered. Christ paid with His life, which is the payment Christ wants from us as we follow Him, not money. Christ said no hirelings allowed for a reason, look at the rationalization going on about a hidden sum of money. The tip of the Ice Berg I’m sure.

    • Bill B. Jan 4, 2015 7:50 pm

      Very good statements on that Rich.
      You are correct. There is no tithe for the New Testament Church.
      As far as disclosing salary is concerned, every church that I have ever attended gave out a detailed expense report every month or quarter depending on how they organized the paperwork, (with the exception of one church who is trying to be NS. This church has no elders, deacons or overseers. The pastor has a leadership team with no power in decision making, only offering suggestions, and a staff that makes decisions. I was on that staff and he essentially made the decisions among that group, as we had no real power either)
      The whole philosophy behind NS is flawed. No oversight, the pastor rules all, and the congregation has no recourse or say in ANY matter. As far as I can tell, or have seen online, there are no bylaws, or procedures for removing a pastor either.
      BTW, I am not in favor of straight democracy, but an elected Elder board, where the pastor is an equal elder with equal say. y.

  7. J. W. Jan 4, 2015 7:54 pm

    Hermeneutics 101…It Was Lucifer himself who asked Eve “Did God Really say that?” When it comes to the Word Of God your Opinion means Nothing!
    2Pe 1:20
    Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
    What Did The LORD Say about His Commandments?
    Lev 26:14
    But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments;
    Lev 26:15
    And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant:
    Lev 26:16
    I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.
    The word “Command” in ancient Hebrew transliterated “tsavah”(command) “mitzvah”(commandment) Strong’s H6680/Strong’s H4687 Also Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament. DO your own translation…don’t parrot men who argue translation and have no ground on which to stand.
    2Ti 4:3
    For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;…
    2Th 2:11
    And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
    2Th 2:12
    That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

  8. A Neighbor Jan 4, 2015 8:15 pm

    Our family watched Perry’s sermon this afternoon as an illustration of how a “pastor” can twist scripture – or not use it at all as was the case. His didn’t even seem to line up with the actual scripture he was trying to “clear up.” My youngest summed it up saying, “He doesn’t seem to understand the Bible.” Perry made it clear that he doesn’t understand salvation. The commandments were given to show us that we are sinners and that we need Christ. As 10 promises there is no need for a Savior. It was a sad, sad example of God’s word being distorted to the point that our 17 year old said he didn’t want to watch anymore because it was so heretical. I was shocked to watch Perry get on his knees and beg for the numbers to come forward. Made me wonder if he had a quota to meet. The Holy Spirit is the one that opens our eyes to salvation. Jesus saves and the 10 commandments are not about us, but about God’s holiness that we can’t achieve and therefore need a Savior.

    • Floyd Jan 5, 2015 2:29 pm

      If a man makes an easily disproved statement (there is no word in Hebrew for “command”) and his entire thesis is based on that premise, why would he have any credibility whatsoever?

  9. Craig price Jan 4, 2015 8:29 pm

    I never have reviewed newspring but have had my doubts. It sounds like Perry really bashed everyone but newspring followers which is exactly what is being ridiculed by supporters of NS above . My initial thoughts are rebellion. The people who have commented on this church to me have said the people they know who go there live like the devil. That would explain why if he preaches as stated above. No commandments! Anyways I wish Him to be the man of God he needs to be for the sake of many. Dawbawr is the the Hebrew for commandments and means a matter of a thing, a cause, and thou shalt not is pretty easy to understand as His counsel to be followed not ignored and sure not changed as stated Perry did????? We cannot take away or add to Gods word and if Perry did what is stated above everyone there should have been scratching their heads.

  10. Megan Jan 4, 2015 8:49 pm

    I think it’s sad this was posted and is causing all the back and forth. There are so many different churches. So which one is correct since you all know it all? I’ve attended 4 different churches and only one has helped me in my relationship and understanding of Christ and His word. Is it bad if a church makes you want to know Jesus better and study His word? Is it bad if my children sing songs about and learn about Christ and read a Bible in their spare time (7 year old)?

    • Jordan Jan 4, 2015 9:15 pm

      There are so many different churches. So which one is correct since you all know it all?

      How about the one that Jesus established? (Matthew 16:18) You don’t even have to take my word for it, just go with what Jesus said!

  11. Up the road Jan 4, 2015 9:27 pm

    Other than the general hermeneutical butchery in this sermon, what is really disturbing to me is that an invitation to salvation follows. If the commandments are reinterpreted to mean that adding Jesus to my life fixes my problems, then exactly what is the penitent sinner turning from, and who is he turning to?

    Perhaps a parallel example is asking a Hindi to accept Jesus as God. It isn’t a real problem for a Hindi, because it is just one more in the pantheon. If that person isn’t turning from his reliance on his own goodness, or repenting of his sin, it isn’t Salvation.

    The numbers of decisions, are always used rationale for never questioning teachings or methodology, but if people aren’t confronted with their sin, who knows if they are believers. It seems that the only ground for questioning a decision belongs to Perry putting air quotes around anyone who questions him.

    People being given false hope scare me a lot more than low conversion numbers.

    • Corrie Jan 4, 2015 11:55 pm

      I second. The defence of these mega pastors always comes down to how many people have made a commitment to Jesus in their services. But when repentance and the forgiveness of sins in christ crucified on the cross is not preached, what have these people put their hands up for? it’s often a better marriage, better relationships, better bank account etc. Are these people repenting of their sins and being given faith in Christ? Or are they coming down the front because Jesus will make their earthly life better? The numbers game is meaningless.

      • Bob Fox Jan 5, 2015 8:30 pm

        You are correct sir. If we are to confess with our mouth and believe in our heart, who can know the heart of man but God.

  12. Up the road Jan 4, 2015 9:35 pm

    I am also curious why he didn’t take the Old Testament command to tithe, as you can be free to give whatever you want out of a full heart.

  13. Clay Jan 4, 2015 10:16 pm

    Will some one ask speaker Perry’s Jewish mentor what the 631 knots on a Jewish Prayer Shawl represent? If I know my Jewish history they represent the 621 other Laws that where added to the original 10 laws of Moses sent down from Mount Sinia and even though we are not under law anymore,Jesus Christ reaffirmed 9 of the original commandments minus 1 plus 1 plus 2 additional. He never said remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy because that was the Jewish day of worship and they rejected Him ere go minus 1, He did however say to remember The Lord’s Day and keep it Holy which is the First day of the week. He also said it was not wrong to do good on this day,so if the ox is in the ditch It’s perfectly ok to get him out. Jesus added 2 commandments ” to love as I have loved you and to Forgive as I have forgiven you, leaving us with 12 moral laws/commandments to try and live our lives by. He also that He did not come to destroy the Law but to fulfil it, therefore to do away with it would be blasphemous.

  14. Dawn Jan 4, 2015 10:42 pm

    I grew up in a small town with a member of this church living just down the street from me. I was looking for a church to attend just recently and she recommended NS. More times than not she is praising her pastor on Facebook. I have noticed from reading this post that it is ALL about this pastor and how good he is. I thought the meaning and purpose of church was to establish how much of a sinner each one of us is and how GOOD Christ is to save us from our sinning nature. It’s ALL about Jesus…. not a church’s pastor. I also know that anyone who changes God’s Word is to be punished the most of all of us. … and that to malign His word a very bad thing. .. and also to lead men astray is not in line worth God’s teachings. I feel sorry for my friend now and believe pastor nobles church to be a cult. … which makes it all VERY SCARY! This is why I don’t go to church. I read the Bible and let the peace of Jesus rule my heart. If only there were a church that was “Just Jesus. ..”? I would then attend. I love in Lexington, SC…. anybody know of one? Sincerely interested?

    • Bev Jan 5, 2015 1:51 am

      Dawn – First Baptist Church Of Lexington (Ralph Schneck is the pastor)

    • Jordan Jan 5, 2015 8:34 am

      Dawn,

      I’m sorry to hear that you haven’t been able to find a church that feels right. I know how you feel as I went through a similar situation a couple years ago. As for suggestions on a church, how about Corpus Christi Catholic Church in Lexington? Jesus is really present at all Masses and you don’t have to worry about the pastor being “bigger” than the church. I hope you are able to find a church home.

    • DJ Jan 8, 2015 9:11 am

      Hi Dawn,

      Try Calvary Chapel Lexington.

      56 Barr Rd, Lexington, SC 29072 · (803) 951-2273

  15. Savedbygrace Jan 4, 2015 11:46 pm

    Question for all you “christians” out there… My 6yo son was recently treated by a well-known physician. He performed a major procedure on my child, but did not adhere to the Standards of Medicine. Instead, he went with “his gut” and made a huge mistake. On my son. And now refuses to admit any wrongdoing. It is well known in my community that he is sloppy with the medical treatment he is giving to his patients. But everyone loves him, he’s fun and his office makes everyone feel comfortable, not like you normally feel when walking into a doctor’s office. The doctor’s staff and other patients (half the town go to him) tell me that since the ends is how we justify the means, he should be excused. After all, he has helped people who normally refuse medical care because of bad past experiences. He makes his office so “un-medical”, and makes fun of those crazy doctors who have wasted their time and become educated in medicine. To top it off, I’ve been asked to keep my mouth shut, because I could scare off others who are considering coming back to medical care after being scared away in the past. Maybe I’m crazy, but is something wrong with this picture???

  16. Someone Jan 5, 2015 12:02 am

    I go to newspring and by the looks of it, no one in the Comments below the article support newspring church. I love it and I’m not asking u to support it but give it a chance, one chance and I won’t ask again, this Sunday perry did not do much preaching of god but talking about his vision for the people in the church and also clearing up hits he has taken about “dropping the n word” and “not believing in the Ten Commandments” he apologizes for the incident of “dropping the n word” and says he admits it sounds like he said it but says he did not mean to say it and asked for an apology of African Americans and the church. then he talks about what he meant he was saying when talking about ten commandments. if u do not believe me then u can go to the newspring website as soon as Tuesday to watch the sermon that he apologized in and explains in further detail about the Ten Commandments. You can also watch any sermon he has preached in the last 5 years on the website to get a better view/opinion on perry noble and the church. I agree with others, perry says some risky and edgy stuff, but he always has a reason and always apologizes if crossing the line, I love perry noble and this church and the work it is doing in the state of South Carolina. I hope you give it a chance and look into what I have said above, thank you.

  17. David Sikes Jan 5, 2015 12:09 am

    If people read further in the comments, the people that watch perry noble are the ones saying he is doing great things in the church, never once does it say “when I watched Perry’s sermon today, he asked the audience for a round of applause for himself for the work he has done in the church” if you guys would watch a couple perry noble services or a 3-5 week series that the church does, u would realize he always gives the glory to god and never takes it for himself

  18. John Coyle Jan 5, 2015 12:12 am

    What’s wrong with people loving their own pastor and thanking him for bringing them all a service every Sunday for the past 15 years. If they were calling perry a god and saying they worship him then that would be a problem. But I don’t think they do.

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  20. Shane Cothran Jan 5, 2015 12:20 am

    So because there is only verses about tithing in the Old Testament and not the New Testament we should not tithe. If we go by this theory then the Old Testament is useless and does not need to be acknowledged. Listen everyone, apparently we are only supposed to live by the New Testament now.

    • Humblylearning Jan 5, 2015 1:00 am

      Just to briefly offer perspective on the tithing, money never appeared to be tithed during it’s institution in the Old Testament to my knowledge. If one accurately believes in the tithe instructed to them, then it appears they should be tithing grain, oil, wine, oxen, sheep, mint, rue, or garden herb. I’ve seen the sermon of Mr. Noble advocating the tithe based off of Malachi, but that verse appears to be taken out of context, because it was not being directed to the Body of Christ. The whole oracle of Malachi is being directed to Israel (Mal 1). Also, I would suggest considering what Hebrews 7 seems to indicate of the tithe being done away with. Collection for the saints appears to be instructed of the Body of Christ, and we’re still instructed to give and to do so cheerfully. But I don’t think the tithe appears to be the kind of giving we’re supposed to do.

  21. Linda Jan 5, 2015 1:06 am

    I would like to comment on this. Perry is my pastor and Newspring is my church. I was present at the Christmas Eve Service. The writer of this article has taken Perry’s statements totally out of context. The gospel of Jesus Christ is presented at EVERY service I have attended. Perry did NOT say that we should not obey the ten commandments, but that along WITH them come promises that our faith in Jesus Christ provides for us. His point was that we have ALL broken the commandments of God and are sinners, but are reconciled to God through faith in Jesus Christ alone and can stand on the promises of our Lord, NOT in our own abilities. The writer of this article also states ” that Newspring encourages its youth to reject parental authority”. As a volunteer with the Fuse youth program, I can tell you first hand that this is a blatant lie. I have NEVER heard anyone at Newspring tell the youth that they should reject parental authority or even suggest anything remotely like that. The entire article is full of statements taken out of context and a whole lot of misrepresentations and false assumptions about Newspring and Perry Noble. Perhaps the writer of the article should actually attend a service and LISTEN to the entire service instead of trying to pick it apart for their own agenda, whatever that may be.

  22. Stephen Jan 5, 2015 1:15 am

    David Sikes,

    When a pastor consistently twists scripture as Perry Noble does, he necessarily takes the glory away from God and places it on himself. In fact, by doing so, he is taking the Lord’s name in vain and his preaching becomes sinful.

    Just some food for thought.

  23. Stephen Jan 5, 2015 1:20 am

    Linda,

    By that logic, am I allowed to critique Congress since I’ve never actually sat in on any proceedings? Must I visit the Capitol before I open my mouth about Congressional politics?

  24. Jeff Jan 5, 2015 8:21 am

    Who is the author of this article? I can’t take anything seriously when I can’t even see the name of who wrote it.

    • MB Jan 5, 2015 9:36 am

      Click the “About Me” page, bro.

      • Jeff Jan 5, 2015 9:40 am

        Thanks. It shouldn’t be that hard to find. The author should include his name with the article. Appreciate it.

        • JH Jan 5, 2015 5:25 pm

          This is a blog. The owner of the blog, is Dr James Duncan a journalism professor at Anderson University. As is the case for the majority of blogs, unless otherwise noted, posts are authored by the blogger. Blogs with multiple authors generally use by-lines. PP has only one author, ergo no need for a by-line.

          I have read Pajama Pages for a few years now and Dr Duncan gives appropriate attribution when referencing other’s writing. I am a bit befuddled that readers don’t know this about blogs but I am also delighted to see that new readers have found this treasure trove of information and exceptional writing. Welcome and please encourage your friends to follow. The writing is fact based and the commenters are generally quite articulate and typically provide enlightened discussion points vs ad hominem attacks or immature troll-like responses. Cheers!

  25. Christine Jan 5, 2015 10:24 am

    a few points..
    1. I think the use of the N. word was not said in a derogatory manor. It was a form of slang, which I got the idea that he was about to say N—a please. Both blacks and whites have said this before, meaning are you for real? I’m sure that saying it could offend some, but it shows Perry is human and a normal guy who makes mistakes. Someone who speaks to the public should be aware of what they say and how it could offend in this easily offended world we live in. But knowing and listening to Perry preach for the past 5+ years, I know he is not racist. It was just a mistake. Get over it people.

    2. I know Perry preaches the gospel. He likes to break it down in terms a lay man can understand. I know you bible scholars might not understand this, but if you did not grow up in a church background, it could be intimidating unless you can relate. That is how he has been able to reach so many. He has an environment where everyone is welcome and it is not intimidating to go to.

    3. No one will agree 100% with a pastor, wherever they go. Think for yourself. If you disagree with his sermon, research it for yourself and make a decision yourself. It does not mean he is Satan or an evil person. Being a pastor doesnt make you a saint or one who never makes mistakes… geez…some of the people responding to his sermon have so much hatred in them. Church is about reaching the lost (which newspring does) and maintaining your spiritual walk. To God be the Glory. If you attended Newspring on a regular basis you would know that this is a constant saying. Not To Perry be the Glory.

    4. I am not an owner at Newspring, though I attend and tithe there. I think the music is loud and the people are too lax. I can see why there are haters…But I can say that I see the Spirit Move there, in his sermons…and I can say I have never seen so many people saved before…something I havent seen in other churches I have attended..not saying those churches arent good and doing good as well.

    I feel like ya’ll need to lighten up. Dont be jealous or scared of the growth and the amount of people being reached and saved. Yall should be praising Jesus, not trying to tear people down who are trying to spread the word.

    • Joe Blackmon Jan 5, 2015 11:04 am

      1-I’m not as worried as I should be about N—a please as I should be. Meh.

      2-There is no sin if there are no commandments. Therefore, what exactly is he calling people to repent of? For that matter, does he ever use the word “repent” so some synonymn (“turn away from” “agree with God that your sins are wrong”)??

      3-A pastor has a responsibility to preach the Bible accurately. This is no small disagreement with this particular sermon. It’s not like he’s saying there is/or isn’t going to be a rapture or teaching that footwashing is an ordinance.

      4-So, someone coming forward in a service is evidence of a true conversion? Wow.

      • christine Jan 5, 2015 1:30 pm

        Perry does talk about sin and repenting. A lot actually.

        if someone comes forward in service, no that does not always mean true conversion. but in the least, it is a step in the right direction. a willingness have Jesus in their heart. If they come forward at Newspring or any other church, or if they reach salvation in their living room, or driving down the road listening to the radio, it is a good thing. Their salvation isnt devalued if it happened at Newspring.

        I do not agree with Newspring 100%, or with anyone or church 100%. But I do not like to be criticized for going there. My walk with God is not of any less value than yours for going somewhere else.

        I wish you and everyone else nothing but the best. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Luckily I am secure enough with myself and my relationship with God to not be bothered by what other people say. But attacking people is not the way to reach people.

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  29. His Plan, His Rules Jan 5, 2015 11:27 am

    I think people are so quick to judge and maybe sometimes misunderstand the meaning of someone’s thoughts or actions. We’re All Hypocrites at some point during the day, if you say you’re not, you just became one (lied).
    Only one man walked this earth without sin!!!
    Jesus
    His Plan
    His RULES

    Pay attention to the bold text

    Ancient Hebrew Word Meanings
    Command ~ mitsvah

    The word command, as well as commandment, is used to translate the Hebrew word mits’vah but does not properly convey the meaning of mits’vah. The word command implies words of force or power as a General commands his troops. The word mits’vah is better understood as a directive. To see the picture painted by this word it is helpful to look at a related word, tsiyon meaning a desert or a landmark. The Ancient Hebrews were a nomadic people who traveled the deserts in search of green pastures for their flocks. A nomad uses the various rivers, mountains, rock outcroppings, etc as landmarks to give them their direction. The verb form of mits’vah is tsavah meaning to direct one on a journey. The mits’vah of the Bible are not commands, or rules and regulations, they are directives or landmarks that we look for to guide us. The word tsiyon meaning landmark is also the word translated as Zion, the mountain of God but, not just a mountain, it is the landmark. 

  30. Jay Jan 5, 2015 12:00 pm

    I’ve not yet read this article. Because of the controversy that follows Perry Noble, I went straight to the comments section to see where the root of the problem was. I am neither for or against Perry Noble or Newspring. I live within 30 minutes of the Anderson SC. campus. My teenagers have attended as guests and we have friends and family of friends who attend regularly. I watch online from time to time. More to get an idea of what’s going on & what’s being preached there so I don’t speak in complete ignorance. I don’t agree with a number of things I have seen or heard but I do know that there are some good things happening there. I do plan to print and read the article and follow up with the sermon. All I can say is “Follow the Word”. Whether at Newspring or where ever you attend. “Follow the Word” in your response to articles like this and in the way you respond to the comments of others. “Defend the Word” more than those who deliver it. (wrongly or rightly divided. It’s about Jesus Christ & His message to this lost & dying world. I’m not saying don’t speak out on right or wrong. Just keep Christ at the center!

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