Noble rescinds the Ten Commandments for 2015 356

(1/2/2015: Updated with NewSpring’s response. See at the end of the post.)

On Christmas Eve, Perry Noble gifted the world a rewritten Ten Commandments. In so doing, he contradicted Scripture, celebrated his ignorance of the Bible, and ultimately rejected the gospel.

NewSpring was excited that God had given Noble a new Christmas Eve message

NewSpring was excited that God had given Noble a new Christmas Eve message

NewSpring had repeated its Christmas service during the week before Christmas day, yet before the final pre-Christmas service, word went out over the NewSpring social media grapevine that Noble had a new sermon, so everybody should come back to hear it.

Noble raised the stakes at the outset, saying that God had told him the previous day that he needed to deliver this sermon. After some of Noble’s staff confirmed for him that he had heard God speak, Noble wrote the sermon in ten minutes. It showed, but it also provided a disquieting glimpse into Noble’s biblical illiteracy. More than illiteracy, it was biblical rebellion.

Noble denies the Commandments

Noble spent Christmas eve explaining away all ten commandments

Noble spent Christmas Eve explaining away all ten Commandments

Noble’s premise was that what we erroneously know as the Ten Commandments aren’t really commandments. They’re just God’s promises.

He knows this because a Jewish friend who was driving him around Israel told him that there’s no Hebrew word for command. Noble acknowledges that he knows no Hebrew (as if that’s an acceptable thing for a preacher to remain ignorant of), so he takes his driver’s word as fact. Noble describes his friend as being to him as Mr. Miyagi is to the Karate Kid. “I just love this man,” Noble says. “He is full of wisdom. He loves Jesus. …He’s just an amazing man of God, and he’s teaching me the Bible. I’m trying to spend as much time with him as possible and he’s teaching me the Bible.” His friend is a poor teacher, and Noble is an even worse student.

Noble’s tutor tells him that the Ten Commandments are a mirage. Initially, Noble is surprised.

This is weird, because I’ve been around the Ten Commandments all my life. But in the original Hebrew language, there’s no word for command, so it couldn’t have been the Ten Commandments. He said it’s best translated as the Ten Sayings. Then he said this: ‘You could also interpret it as the Ten Promises of God.’ Instead of Ten Commandments that you have to keep if you’re going to be a follower of Jesus, they’re actually ten promises that you can receive when you say yes to Jesus.

Noble then announces that he is going to persuade his audience to say yes to Jesus because they no longer have to worry about obeying the commandments. Before we get to his rewritten commandments, let’s quickly debunk his erroneous premise.

The entire Old Testament is full of references to God’s commands and to the Ten Commandments in particular. In fact, in Deuteronomy 5, the second presentation of the Ten Commandments, God follows the list by repeatedly referring to his law as commands.

Oh that they had such a heart as this always, to fear me and to keep all my commandments, that it might go well with them and with their descendants forever! Go and say to them, “Return to your tents.”

But you, stand here by me, and I will tell you the whole commandment and the statutes and the rules that you shall teach them, that they may do them in the land that I am giving them to possess.’

You shall be careful therefore to do as the LORD your God has commanded you. You shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left.

You shall walk in all the way that the LORD your God has commanded you, that you may live, and that it may go well with you, and that you may live long in the land that you shall possess.

Now this is the commandment—the statutes and the rules—that the LORD your God commanded me to teach you, that you may do them. (Deut 5:29-6:1)

Obviously, the Hebrew word for command is an essential part of the Old Testament. What Noble’s Bible teacher may have been referring to was that the Torah didn’t formally label the list as the Ten Commandments, instead presenting them as ten sayings. Even so, a saying can be a commandment without having to be labeled as such. And we see in Deut 5 that God Himself called them commandments. Noble and his teacher are both very wrong.

A quick Google search would have torpedoed Noble's sermon

A quick Google search would have torpedoed Noble’s sermon

(For a man who has assumed the responsibility of pastoring around 40,000 people, why couldn’t he have spent just a few minutes consulting a concordance, calling someone who does know Hebrew, or even Googling it? Even Google knows Noble’s claim is incorrect.)

From the New Testament, we see that Jesus understood them as commandments in his response to the rich young man in Matthew 19.

“If you would enter life, keep the commandments.” He said to him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

For Jesus, commandments referred to the list we know as the Ten Commandments (even though he abbreviated the list here).

Right away, we have a problem with Jesus’ advice if we are to take Noble’s teaching seriously. Noble says that being a Christian doesn’t require obedience, yet Jesus insists on it. The point of Jesus’ exchange with the rich young man was that it was impossible for anyone to actually keep the commandments. The disciples see the problem, to their horror.

When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?” But Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

To be saved we must obey the Ten Commandments, but we can’t, so it’s impossible for us to be saved by anything we do. The only way to salvation is though the Mediator that God graciously provides for us and whose perfect obedience he credits to us. This is the gospel of grace and the wonder of Christ.

If the commandments don’t even need to be obeyed, there’s nothing to be saved from and no need for the Mediator. All we need to do, in Noble’s formulation, is to say yes to Jesus, something that even this rich young man couldn’t do.

Noble is denying the gospel, not preaching it.

Noble rewrites the Commandments

Noble compounds his error by arbitrarily rewriting what’s left of the commandments to make them palatable for nonbelievers, even though he’s told us that they’re legally irrelevant. Noble presents his version by starting with the original biblical commandment, then wiping it off the screen and replacing it with his own version. God’s commands appeared on Noble’s big screen for 4 minutes and 12 seconds, but Noble’s commandments got 20:41 of screen time. Here’s what Noble wishes the commandments could be:

1) You shall have no other gods before me becomes You do not have to live in constant disappointment anymore.

Noble intimates that the command is selfish and unreasonable. (Check his body language at 35:36 on the video as he wags his finger, as if angry and demanding.) This sets the tone for the rest of Noble’s revision in which commandments that are focused on God and others become favors focused on us. God exists to make us happy.

2) You shall not make an image becomes You can be free from rituals and religion and trust in a relationship.

Noble talks about people who think incorrectly that their good religious works like church attendance and Bible reading will save them. That point is correct, but by rejecting the concept of the law in the first place, Noble has created a system where good works aren’t even necessary. If there’s no offense against God through breaking his law, there’s no need for reconciliation and no need for the Savior. In Noble’s universe, there’d be no Jesus for anyone to say yes to.

3) You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain becomes You can trust in a name that’s above every name.

Noble complains that Christians have butchered the commandment by prohibiting people from saying darn, a point illustrated with a story about being freaked out by a witch mannequin at a party store. Such is biblical exposition at NewSpring.

4) Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy becomes You can rest.

This is another one that Noble claims that Christians have butchered, thinking that God would kill them for doing yard work on Sunday. Given that Noble had already cancelled church for the following Sunday, it was important for him to ignore the clear meaning of this one. Sabbath breakers prefer not to preach too much about this commandment. Moving on…

5) Honor your father and mother becomes Your family does not have to fall apart.

He complains that parents use this as a “spiritual grenade” by teaching their children that the Bible tells them to honor and obey their children. This is improper, says Noble, because there’s no Hebrew word for command.

Like the Sabbath commandment, this is another awkward one for NewSpring, which often encourages its youth to reject parental authority in favor of NewSpring’s programs and teachings. Common in these parts are stories of families being torn apart by children and young adults who break from their Christian parents in favor of NewSpring, or leave college against their parents’ wishes to attend NewSpring College. NewSpring leaders know that big family events like Christmas often precipitate family conflict over NewSpring, so they prepare young people with articles like this one published in early December entitled My Family Thinks I Belong To A Cult. If young people don’t have to honor their parents, they can’t be talked out of their cults.

6) You shall not murder becomes You do not have to live in a constant state of anger because you will be motivated by love and not hate.

Noble uses this as yet another opportunity to beat up on other Christians.

I think one of the things that bothers me most about Christians is how hateful we seem to come across sometimes. I mean, we’re just mean. And we tend to be mean at people that are very different from us. Theologically, if you don’t agree just like me, I’m going to be mean to you. Moralistically, if you don’t agree with me then I’m going to be mean to you. But then, as we read about the person of Jesus, he just wasn’t mean to very many people (except the Pharisees–called then sons of hell), but to other people, he’s just this loving guy.

Yet again, Noble ignores the sin problem that requires the gospel. God hates sin, and because we were sinners, God hated us. (Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.) Because God’s hate is righteous, it’s holy and good, unlike ours. As we saw earlier, Jesus proclaimed the need to obey God’s law, which is impossible to do perfectly, making us lawbreakers and enemies of God. The good news is that, for those God gave to him, Jesus mediates between us and God with his perfect obedience, meaning that we meet God as our adoptive father rather than as an avenging judge.

Without an understanding of God’s terrifying hate, his love is meaningless.

7) You shall not commit adultery becomes You do not have to live a life dominated by the guilt, pain and shame associated with sexual sin.

Perhaps Noble could tell us what now constitutes sexual sin if there are no commandments regulating sexual behavior. From whence comes the guilt and shame if there is no law forbidding anything? By Noble’s logic, you’re free to commit adultery (whatever that is now) so that you can experience the blessing of having your shame removed.

Noble proudly claims that, unlike most other preachers, he likes to talk about sex and thinks that it’s good so long as it’s in the context of a heterosexual marriage. The problem is that by removing the law against sex outside of marriage, there’s nothing morally commendable or God pleasing about marital sex. Noble promises God’s forgiveness for sexual sin, but there’s no need for forgiveness if there have been no laws broken. By revoking the law, Noble erases the blessing.

8) You shall not steal becomes I will provide.

Noble prefaces this by saying that he actually thinks this is a good command (God must be relieved), but it makes a better promise. Noble assures us that God provides for his children, though his examples limit God’s provision to material benefits. His interpretation of God’s paternal care being linked to American commercialism would surprise believers in other parts of the world and other eras.

9) You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor becomes You do not have to pretend.

Contrary to what you understand from a plain reading of Scripture, this is not intended to benefit your neighbor; it’s really designed for your emotional self indulgence. It’s hermeneutical solipsism; the Bible’s all about me.

Cue another anti-Christian rant:

Church people are famous for pretending. Seriously. Every week in church it’s Halloween. People dress up in costumes, pretending to be someone that they’re really not. It’s a shackle that religion has held on people for far too long….When you know Jesus, you don’t have to pretend for a bunch of people who don’t know him anyway.

All those other non-NewSpring churches, in other words, are full of liars who aren’t actually Christians. (If NewSpringers ever wonder why parents worry that their kids have joined a cult, preaching like this is a clue.)

Noble doesn’t truly believe in removing his own masks and being fully transparent, however. As Chris Rosebrough was first to document, earlier in the sermon Noble accidentally used the N-word while recounting a conversation he’d had with a single friend about whether he should just buy himself a dog over his wife’s objections. Noble said, “I was like, ‘N*****, ca…'” at which point he stopped being honest and changed the topic. In the context of the moment, the word could be nothing else but what it sounded like, and it suggests that he regularly addresses someone in his life by that awful term.

Contrary to Noble’s hypocritical call to full transparency, some things ought to remain opaque. This side of heaven, we’re sinners with thoughts and desires that all-too-frequently violate all ten commandments. With the Holy Spirit’s sanctifying help, we work to make our fallen hearts fully subject to God’s moral law, but it is good for us and all of our neighbors that we keep most our internal ugliness just between ourselves and the Holy Spirit. The ability to do that is part of God’s common grace that holds societies together.

10) You shall not covet becomes I will be enough.

Noble starts by saying that the command against coveting donkeys, oxen or servants seems irrelevant, so he has to wrestle with this one. Now that he’s discovered that it’s not actually a command, he doesn’t have to worry about coveting donkeys any more.

If the true meaning of this command was that God was enough, God had already stated this in the preface to the Commandments when he reminded his people, “I am the Lord you God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt.” This is not the same as the command that we must not covet.


Noble finishes the sermon by telling his audience that he has given them ten reasons to say yes to Christ, then leads them in a prayer that starts, “Jesus Christ, I know that I’m a sinner and I need your forgiveness. I believe you died on the cross and you rose from the grave to pay for my sin. I receive your payment.”

There was nothing in the sermon that supported any of the points in the prayer. How would Noble’s audience know they were sinners? Noble erased the law, so nobody in his audience ought to think of themselves as sinners. What laws have they broken that require forgiveness?

There’s nothing in the sermon to explain the need for Christ (besides him being someone that for some reason pleads for us to say yes to him), nor why he would need to die on a cross. Why was the resurrection important, especially when the cross seems unnecessary? What is Jesus paying for, and why is it me that’s receiving the payment? It’s backwards. God receives the payment because I cannot possibly pay. Jesus was sacrificed for me, not to me.

After the prayer, Noble tells those who prayed to sign a name tag to show that they have “nailed it down” with God. Hearing the gospel is a prerequisite to faith and repentance (Rom 10:14), yet nobody at NewSpring that night heard the gospel preached. Nevertheless, Noble confidently assured scores of people that they had just become right with God.

If it still actually mattered, to many of his hearers such a claim would have seriously violated the Ninth Commandment.

Update

NewSpring’s public relations director sent the following reply to a series of questions I had sent asking if Noble stood by his claim that there is no Hebrew word for command, if he still thinks God told him to deliver the message, if he had said the N-word in the sermon, and if he ever used it with other people.

We do stand by the message Perry gave to our church on December 24, 2015, and we do believe the Lord prompted Perry to deliver it as he did.

In regards to your question about the ‘N’ word, Perry doesn’t use that word and doesn’t address anyone in his life by such a word.  He did not use that word in his message and what you perceived as him doing so was [a] matter of words getting jumbled as can happen with anyone who is speaking.

356 thoughts on “Noble rescinds the Ten Commandments for 2015

  1. April Jan 7, 2015 2:24 pm

    I believe that Perry realized Christmas services are often filled with family/friends who may be attending and not so keen on the idea of Church or the Christians that fill them. I think what Perry did was brilliant. Many people don’t come to Christ because they feel they can not meet the standards or feel that it is all about the legalism of obey laws such as the 10 commandments. Perry showed that there is MORE to the law…Christianity isn’t about obeying rules… It certainly isn’t about pointing fingers… It’s about accepting Christ and beginning a relationship that will undoubtedly CHANGE your old ways… The first part is to say YES to HIM as Perry so beautifully wrapped up….He never dismissed the principles of God’s truths…He showed there is so much more to be gained…

    • Matt Jan 7, 2015 2:32 pm

      Christianity IS actually all about obeying the rules perfectly. We couldn’t and we were enemies of God because of it. Jesus DID obey his commands perfectly, and died the death that we deserved. This is why it’s so important that the law is taught correctly so that we can become face to face with our sin and realize our need for a savior. I pray that this is your understanding.

    • Bob Fox Jan 8, 2015 7:57 am

      People do not come to Christ because of sin in their lives. It is not because they do not feel they can keep the 10 Commandments. Wake up!

    • Jesus Follower Jan 8, 2015 10:05 am

      I have precious family members and friends that attend NS and love it. They love their church and Perry this and Perry that. No one cares what his salary is because he is Perry. I do not understand why the “owners” are so quick to defend Perry. He obviously used the N word and came back and lied and said that he did not. That is not ok. Stop defending and look at the facts. We are to confess and turn from our sin. But if you do not believe the commandments are commandments – What is Sin?

      When God wrote the commandments on that stone with His finger it was to show me who I am and Who He Is. I love Jesus and I am a lowly sinner that is saved by His Amazing Grace. I continue to pray for my precious family members and friends that are NS “owners” to seek first His Kingdom and I trust my Lord to protect them.

    • Cody Jan 15, 2015 6:49 pm

      When any “pastor” starts adding to or taking away from the word of God, they are treading on very dangerous ground. If it is not in the Bible, then it is false teachings. 2 Timothy 4 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

      “Preach the Word”
      4 I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom: 2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with [a]great patience and instruction. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, 4 and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.

  2. P Jan 7, 2015 3:57 pm

    May I just say that I think it is sad that we have come to a point in the world where acclaimed Christians like yourself have to try to put down other Christians. Matthew 7:1-5 says “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.” In other words look at your own sins and your own life before pointing out the fault of others. The problem with most Christians today is that they take everything that is said so literally instead of trying to see the bigger picture. Perry wasn’t “Rewriting” anything he was only telling the promises that go along with each commandment. Newspring is a church of hope and unless I see something or hear something within my church that TRULY denies scripture I will continue to make it my house of worship. Newspring has done so much for me and my life and has brought me back to God in so many ways. Just remember whoever is reading this that no matter who your pastor is or how you were raised that in the end we are always on the same team. If you truly want to help the world become a better place and fix what you think is wrong then go to Matthew 18:15-18 and you will see that if you are trying to correct someones “sin” then you are going about it the wrong way. Now I hope whatever reserve you have about my church you will let go of because you are obviously not a part of it and in turn are not seeing how many communities and lives it is impacting. I wish you the best in your continual walk with Christ and hope that you have a blessed day. God bless.

    • Vince Jan 7, 2015 11:01 pm

      Your assumption is that the writer of the article has not already taken the log out of his own eye. Maybe he has. Maybe he hasn’t. Maybe you have a log in your eye. Maybe not. That is between him and God and you and God. But all that doesn’t matter. Any true student of the scripture knows this is false teaching. A watered down message that is impotent and void of Christ saving power and call to repentance.

      As a pastor this fellow has a higher level of responsibility and a greater possible punishment for leading people astray. I pray he repents and corrects his false teaching.

    • Bob Fox Jan 8, 2015 5:57 am

      All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. As a true Christian, you might be able to see an additional perspective of the Commandments but how does this help the person that is not mature in the faith. The number one reason why people do not want to embrace Christ and Christianity involves a moral issue. We, by nature, do not want to turn from the way we live our lives. Evidence of our unwillingness to turn is revealed in the morally bankrupt society in which we live. The church is the only entity available to reveal God’s moral truth. You may not be old enough to see the changes in our society over the last 50 years and people older than me have seen a lot more. The change we have seen falls under the heading “moral decline”. The third most popular argument for God’s existence is called the Axiological Argument which is stated this way; morals and ethics are not what men do but what they should do, therefore there must be a transcendent being that has revealed morals and ethics to mankind. There is no Christianity without obedience to God’s moral law. Just because we might fail does not mean we should not pursue obedience. Without God’s moral law there is no conviction. Without conviction there is no transformation regardless if one makes an alter call or not. The truth hurts but it will set you free. Let’s not try to soften the very needed message. Identify the problems, don’t dance around them. I think people know the difference between a commandment and a promise even though that may not want to consider the source. Should we give the unsaved, immature or babes in Christ the option of a watered down message. Maybe the watered down message leaves us where the church is today…watered down and ineffective.

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  4. Joe Jan 7, 2015 5:45 pm

    The commandments were given so as to point out our need for a savior who was to come, Jesus. If they were not commandments, then we had no need to follow them, thus no need for a savior to redeem us for NOT being able to follow them.

    • Kelly Jan 7, 2015 6:57 pm

      He’s not saying you shouldn’t follow them. He’s saying that there’s more to it than just thou shalt not. There’s benefit, not just a law. There’s fruit.

      • Vince Jan 7, 2015 11:14 pm

        Why are “Christians” that support false teachers always trying to wiggle their way out of what the Bible says. “There’s more to it than….” It is always something else, “There’s benefit…”

        The Bible is very clear. It is not what I feel it should say, it is what God says. Period. No discussion. No mincing words. No but, but, but.

        Either you you believe that Almighty God said what He said or you don’t. If don’t believe that He really didn’t say such and such in the Bible, what else don’t you believe He said?

        Buehler, Buehler? Anyone?

        • Kelly Jan 8, 2015 12:07 am

          I completely believe that the Bible shouldn’t be altered but to challenge our thinking with another way to see things… How isn’t that positive? I still see the commandments as something that I and my fellow Christians should follow, for sure. When we don’t follow them that’s where sin obviously comes in. Christ died for our sins so there is grace when we falter. Perry is discussing what we miss out on when we don’t follow these commands. I don’t think he’s adding or taking away from Gods Word, just putting things in another perspective.

          • David Rhee Jan 8, 2015 9:36 pm

            Thinking another way is what many past historical heretics have done (Just read about the agnostic, Arian, Pelgian)… To reinterpret the Word of God and think another way has impacted many to salvation because they believe in the True Gospel that brings life..

            As Charles Spurgeon once stated:

            “Discernment isn’t knowing … It is knowing the difference between right and almost right”

            Meaning, there is the Truth and the almost truth (hence, a different gospel)… If you change the meaning (either by adding, deleting, reconstructing, reinterpret, etc.), you are changing the Truth to something else.. A substitute.. Perry’s interpretation is not expanding the depth of what the Word of God is clearly stating.. Rather, it is word deconstruction to change the meaning to be something else…

            The issue I have with your statement, ” Perry is discussing what we miss out on when we don’t follow these commands” seems to make these commandments an option and consideration… That is just not the case… In your statement, it would make antinomianism as an acceptable way of life for a Christian.. Again, it is not should follow the Commandments.. But rather, Christians will eventually follow the commandments…. That is the different…

          • Kelly Jan 8, 2015 9:46 pm

            I get what you’re saying. I just see it as “if we love Jesus we will keep His commands. If we keep His commands this is the result.” It shouldnt be incentive. Sometimes people need to know why a Father wants good things for His children and what those good things are. Those “sayings” Perry came up with are the good things for keeping His commands. Some people don’t need an elaboration (obviously bc so many are complaining) but some do.

  5. learning every day Jan 8, 2015 1:32 am

    Mr. Noble lives one state away from a quite fine OT and NT faculty at Southern seminary. I am not a Baptist, but I know that the SBC has some really fine scholars at Southern and elsewhere. Such a pity for one of their largest congregations to be hearing such distorted exegesis. Better to simply not use the Bible at all, tell one’s own personal or fictitious stories, and leave God’s Word out of it!

    If only Mr. Noble would at least avail himself of some of the Southern Sem. professors to fact-check his sermons and save him and his listeners to this kind of abuse of God’s Word? Or hire one seminary graduate to educate him on Hebrew, biblical theology, the structures and genres of the Bible? I hear they have some funds, perhaps they could allocate at least one salary for someone who actually has invested at least as much time studying the Bible as has the dental hygienist who cleans our teeth has invested in studying dentistry? Would you take your teeth, let alone the rest of your body, to an unlicensed dentist or doctor who “feels called” and “has the anointing” but has never actually bothered to go to dental school or medical school or submit to any licensing?

    If Mr. Noble did consult such a person, another thing he might learn, besides the fact that both OT and NT witnesses such as Moses himself and Jesus did indeed call these “commandments,” commandments to be obeyed, is that these “ten words” or “sayings” (“debarim”) are given in a very specific literary / historical genre, namely that of a Middle Eastern suzerain-vassal covenant treaty. Moses specifically labels these “statutes and the rules” (ESV; NIV: “decrees and laws”) as a covenant (“berit”). In the covenant treaty, the suzerain (that’s God) identifies himself and his status (“YHWH/the LORD your God”) asserts his claim over the people (typically a great military victory and/or delivery from captivity to another suzerain lord) and binds his vassal (that’s Israel) to certain obligations in return for his act of saving them. In this case, the prologue (Ex 20:2; Deut 5:6) identifies the suzerain, and his victorious deliverance, and the following ten “words” summarize the vassal’s obligations to the suzerain, with more detailed obligations following. The vassal is not given a “choice,” the vassal is given an obligation, as the vassal is now the property (liege) of the conquering suzerain. The Hebrew aspect (a bit like tense) used for the verbs in the ten commands are consistent with commands and not with promises: “lo” (“no, negative particle”) + imperfect for prohibitions (Ex 20:4, 7, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17); infinitive absolute for a permanent ordinance (20:8, Sabbath), and imperative for the one positive command (20:12, honor your father AND your mother).

    If these ten “words” meant as optional promises from God to all humanity to be claimed, rather than covenant commands for Israel to obey, then somehow Perry Noble in 2014 not only figured out what Jesus and all Judaism missed, but even what the original audience missed: the original audience was not filled with warm, fuzzy feelings, they were what? “afraid, trembled and stood far off and said to Moses, “You speak to us, and we will listen; but do not let God speak to us, lest we die.” (Ex. 20:18-29 ESV). To which Moses said, what? “Do not fear, these are really promises, not commands, and it’s all good ‘cause God doesn’t judge anyone and is not a hater?” Nope, that’s not what he said, he said, “Do not fear, for God has come to test you, that the fear of him may be before you, that you may not sin.” (Ex. 20:20 ESV) The people were terrified by the sound and the lightning and thunder. If we look at other Bible passages, we observe that a real encounter with the living God seems to have that effect on people, it doesn’t seem to lead them to crack jokes, “feel better about themselves,” it seems to be the ultimate cure for narcissism that we will all one day receive.

    There are promises in the covenant documents also. As Paul tells us, in Ephesians 6:2, “Honor your father and mother” is the first commandment with a promise. Deut 6 and following have frequent promises, for example, Deut 6:18-19, to take possession of the land…that God will remove your enemies. But these promises are all conditional and they are paired with negative promises as well, e.g. Deut 6:15, the parallel to the land promise, where Israel is promised that worshipping other gods will result in the anger of the LORD destroying Israel off the face of the earth.

    There is one great promise in the Torah, first given to a woman, Eve, and that is that someday one would come who crush the serpent’s head, a prophet greater than Moses, who would perfectly fulfill the “ten words,” taking on himself the role of vassal, submitting himself fully to the will of the suzerain, and then satisfying the blood debt of the breaking of the old covenant by dying himself. This is what all the slaughtered animals pointed to:

    Heb 9:18 (ESV): Therefore not even the first covenant was inaugurated without blood. 19 For when every commandment of the law had been declared by Moses to all the people, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, 20 saying, “This is the blood of the covenant that God commanded for you.” 21 And in the same way he sprinkled with the blood both the tent and all the vessels used in worship. 22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

    As Dr. Duncan has already said, to miss this, is to miss the Gospel. To miss this is to miss the true Jesus. What does it matter if we say his name, and mouth pious prayers, if we don’t get this? Tagging a theologically-correct sinner’s prayer on to the end of such as sermon does not mean that the Gospel has been proclaimed, understood, or received in true saving faith. May the Spirit lead those who heard Noble’s Christmas message to the Truth.

    “But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him.” John 4:23

    • Todd Wilhelm Jan 9, 2015 6:17 am

      Unfortunately Mr. Noble might have his antinomian views reinforced by at least one of the professors at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary.

      Thomas R. Schreiner, James Buchanan Harrison professor of New Testament interpretation, professor of Biblical Theology and Associate Dean of the School of Theology at SBTS, has this to say on the 10 Commandments:

      “When discussing Passover, I noted that believers are not required to observe the feasts, festivals, and special days of the Old Testament calendar. This includes the Sabbath, even though the Sabbath is part of the Ten Commandments (Exod. 20:8-11). Such a judgment surprises some, but it must be recognized that the entirety of the Old Testament law is abrogated in Christ.”

      -Thomas R. Schreiner, “40 Questions About Christians and Biblical Law” page 91

      • Ed Dingess Jan 13, 2015 6:40 am

        To reject the lack of distinction in the covenants does not make one antinomian. You are being VERY unfair to Schreiner. The fact is that Noble should have known immediately that his friend was terribly mistaken. Why? Noble should have a basic understanding of Biblical Hebrew if he is going to respect the ministry of teaching and pastoring. Additionally, the author of this post gives a modern Hebrew word for command, not the ones that are actually used in the ancient text.

  6. Kelly Jan 8, 2015 7:57 am

    Well it won’t let me post the link so here is the blog post –
    I absolutely love God’s Word. I believe it is infallible and inerrant, that all Scripture is God breathed (II Timothy 3:16-17), that the writers were led by the Holy Spirit (II Peter 1:21) and that everything in Psalm 19:1-7 regards to what it says about God’s Word is absolutely true.

    However, another thing I love about God’s Word is that it is “living and active” (Hebrews 4:12) – which means that there are certain times that we can read Scripture and think “ok, that’s neat,” and then maybe six months later we can read the very same text and it seems to slam us to the ground.

    Over the past several years I’ve been able to travel to Israel quite a few times and the Scriptures have NEVER been more alive to me than right now. Getting to see the land and experience the teaching of God’s Word, from people who have forgotten way more about it than I will ever know, is such a treasure.

    On a trip I was on last year, a really incredible Messianic Jewish Bible teacher began to share with me that the English interpretation of “The Ten Commandments” is not a correct translation.

    I pushed back on this a little. I had grown up in church hearing that they were called “The Ten Commandments.” How could they NOT be the 10 commandments?

    He went on to explain to me that the way they say “Ten Commandments” in Hebrew is “Eseret Dibrot” which literally means “ten sayings”. “Dibrot” is the plural of the word “Dibra”, which is a word based on the Hebrew root “Davar” that literally means “spoken word”. When we say the “word of God” in Hebrew, we say “Davar Elohim”. So the Ten Commandments are literally “ten sayings of God”.

    Another great friend in Israel also pointed me to Exodus 34:28, which says, “Moses was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments.”

    Notice that he wrote on the tablet the words of the covenant (promises) – and then it says, “The Ten Commandments” which are literally the ten sayings of God, or the 10 promises that God makes.

    When I discovered this I nearly lost my mind, because I thought about what Jesus said in Matthew 5:17 that He had not come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it. And how in Christ all of God’s promises come true.

    At our Christmas Eve service I challenged our church to take a look at the things we had always seen as commands (and could never keep anyway) as more like promises from God that are fulfilled in Christ.

    Promise #1 – You do not have to live in constant disappointment anymore.

    Promise #2 – You can be free from rituals and religion and trust in a relationship.

    Promise #3 – You can trust in a Name that is above every Name.

    Promise #4 – You can rest.

    Promise #5 – Your family does not have to fall apart.

    Promise #6 – You do not have to live in a constant state of anger because you will be motived by love and not hate.

    Promise #7 – You do not have to live a life dominated by the guilt, pain and shame associated with sexual sin.

    Promise #8 – I will provide.

    Promise #9 – You do not have to pretend.

    Promise #10 – I will be enough.

    Do I think the 10 commandments are still relevant? Absolutely! The reason they are so relevant is that they show us what God says about how we should seek to live our lives.

    But what God has to say about how we live doesn’t end there. They point to the only One who could ever really live them out fully. I believe that God said these things to us to point us to Jesus and the promises that He brings to us in His coming to earth to pay for our sins and give us a new life in Him.

    Learning that the 10 commandments are not just commands, but rather way finding arrows that point us to all the promises of God that are ‘Yes’ for us in Christ (II Corinthians 1:20). This has caused me to see more and more that God isn’t a God in heaven who is screaming to us that we are not good, but rather showing us over and over that He is good and, through Christ, really does want us to experience a life that is beyond our imagination.

    • Matt Jan 8, 2015 8:15 am

      Thanks for posting this. The problem is that during the Christmas eve service he repeatedly said “There is no word in Hebrew for command.” He based the entire sermon on that. Please go back and listen to it if you don’t remember it that way. He would say things like “this would be hard to keep if it was a command, but since there is no word for command in Hebrew I don’t have to.” This is patently false according to all of the scriptures (even Jesus himself calls them commands several time in the New Testament when he’s talking about the Decalogue).

      Perry misses the point in this point again when he says that the Ten Commandments are relevant to show us how to live our lives. This is only partially true. There are three uses for the law as defined by 2000 years of biblical scholarship (it’s jnteresting, please look it up). Another use of the law is to point out our sin and point us to a savior. By denying this fact repeatedly, he’s denying the gospel and rescinding the 10 commandments.

      • Kelly Jan 8, 2015 8:37 am

        “But what God has to say about how we live doesn’t end there. They point to the only One who could ever really live them out fully. I believe that God said these things to us to point us to Jesus and the promises that He brings to us in His coming to earth to pay for our sins and give us a new life in Him.”

        That to me is him saying that the law points is to Jesus. Throughout his sermons Perry is always calling the congregation out on sin and reiterating that we need Jesus as our Savior. Just like most who discuss OT law he is saying that the blood has redeemed the harshness. Our God is still omnipotent and just, but if we were still solely under those commands without Christ we would be hellhound.
        Anyway, again, the guy changed his sermon in two hours. This is not the sermon I initially watched just a few days prior (since services were going from 20th-24th). He didn’t word things in the best way. On a normal Sunday he does about 5 services and with each critique the services improve throughout the day. He didn’t get that opportunity on Christmas Eve. I feel he was able to say what he meant in this post. It’s unfortunate that one has to watch previous sermons or be a part of the congregation to know where Perry is coming from and that he would never direct someone away from Biblical truth.

        • Matt Jan 8, 2015 9:19 am

          You’re correct. That is actually a pretty good response, for sure. I’m not sure how I missed that earlier. I apologize for that. I will say there are still a couple of major issues going on, not the least of these was that God told him to teach this sermon is really dangerous rhetoric because as you’ve admitted and he’s changed the message now (by saying that he was only talking about the word Decalogue means 10 sayings). Would God reallg teach Perry to teach something that was outside of Christian orthodoxy so much that he would have to take back so much? Just think that’s dangerous. Again, the part of the blog that you quoted was pretty good, I still think there are some serious issues. I think we all hope that this opens his eyes to the severity of mishandling scripture. Thanks again for your dialogue.

    • James Duncan Jan 8, 2015 9:25 am

      If Jesus fully lived out the promises, one of which (according to Noble) is that your family won’t fall apart, Jesus fails. His own family rejected him. (John 7:5)

      • Jessi Jan 8, 2015 11:39 am

        I think that’s reaching, Mr. Duncan. Jesus’ brothers had seen his miracles and encouraged him to go to the festival (John 7:3-4), but were still in a state of unbelief (don’t we all struggle with having faith to move a mountain?) Jesus’ brother James went on to be a leader in the church and write my favorite book of the NT…so ultimately they did believe! I’d hardly consider that as Jesus failing to fulfill a promise. Because Jesus is good and true and perfect, his brothers were in awe of him and didn’t quite know what to make of it. Not to mention we get to read about his mother crying and smiling at the fact her son was resurrected on the 3rd day and the tomb was empty…all after she thought he was dead. Another example of a family not falling apart…but one that will rejoice with each other and the angels in the place Jesus has gone to prepare for us. Praise be to God!

      • Mary Willis Jan 8, 2015 2:51 pm

        Jesus also mentioned you would have to leave family to follow him.

      • MB Jan 8, 2015 3:20 pm

        To be fair, Perry says, “Your family doesn’t have to fall apart,” not “Your family won’t fall apart.”

        Regardless, its not a claim asserted by the Bible, nor something directly applicable from that passage or Scripture.

  7. Old springer Jan 8, 2015 3:29 pm

    Unless it isn’t being shown in my browser. The newspring and perry noble pages on fb have taken down his controversial ” ten convictions” about the church and the “homosexuality/gluttony” blog post. I feel this is some sort of fire proofing. As news of the Christmas Eve commandments and N word debacle make news all over the internet.Very disturbing and the fact he knows he is wrong about the word command and won’t just say it shows his pride. The blog posts mentioned above can still be found on his website.

    • Kelly Jan 8, 2015 3:33 pm

      Link still exists. I have trouble posting links on this but my friend shared the gluttony post the other week on fb and I was able to access it.

  8. Leslie Jan 8, 2015 4:39 pm

    I highly encourage everyone to listen to the actual sermon before making a judgement. https://newspring.cc/sermons/a-thrill-of-hope/christmas-eve1

    There are definitely some issues here. I think Noble could benefit from some good, solid seminary classes on exegesis of the Scriptures. That being said, in my opinion, I think your portrayal of what he preached is unfair, inaccurate and harsh. I believe you misrepresented what Perry Noble actually said. Please consider listening again, re-reading your post and asking God if there is anything you might need to consider changing. (This is coming from a gal who attends a very conservative PCA church.)

  9. Saywhat Jan 8, 2015 8:43 pm

    In reference to the “n” word.. Sounds like he said “neither could I” ???? ..since the church & Perry are totally against racism..

    https://newspring.cc/sermons/you-asked-for-it-2013/is-interracial-dating-and-marriage-wrong

    https://perrynoble.com/blog/racism-ferguson-and-the-solution

    In reference to the rest of this blog.. Matthew 5:11-12 ????

    • Stephen Jan 8, 2015 9:44 pm

      Haha, yeah, Matthew 5:11-12 doesn’t apply to Perry Noble’s situation.

      And, stop trying to explain away the ‘N’ word incident. Noble all but admitted that was what he said.

      • Saywhat Jan 8, 2015 10:16 pm

        really? I’m pretty sure he admitted on the world wide internets that he didn’t say the “n” word, perhaps this blog site & it’s users should consider “do unto other as you have done unto you”

        • Stephen Jan 8, 2015 10:39 pm

          Yes, he never denied saying the ‘N’ word. Were you asleep during the message this past Sunday?

          If you watch through the video, it looks like I said the N-word. Let me promise you something: that’s not the word that was in my heart. My words got jumbled. It’s not the word that was in my heart. It’s not the word that I wanted to come out of my mouth.

  10. Saywhat Jan 8, 2015 10:25 pm

    You guys have fun with this! However Perry Noble & Newspring will continue to preach Jesus Christ & lift him Up! Dead people will be brought to life through the blood of Jesus Christ! The Church will continue to prosper! God is sovereign over all!

  11. Saywhat Jan 8, 2015 10:51 pm

    Mm no I’m pretty sure he said “neither could I” I guess we will all have to ask Jesus when we enter eternity? What did he really say?… I’m sure that all of this topic of discussion will be on Gods top 10?

    • Stephen Jan 8, 2015 10:59 pm

      Sure, whatever you say. There really is no question as to whether or not he said the ‘N’ word. Your defense of Noble in light of clear facts reveals a rank idolatry of the man. May you repent and be forgiven.

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  13. Escaped Jan 9, 2015 8:03 am

    Stephen, I totally agree….idolatry of the man. For many ‘owners’ the obsession with Perry as a ‘star’, posing with him for pictures, dropping his name, defending his words, actions, and behavior at all costs is nothing short of idolatry–just as he idolizes sports figures of questionable character. Yet, NS would have parents blindly entrust their kids to be taught, shaped and modeled by Perry and his staff.

    • Mary Catherine Willis Jan 9, 2015 8:08 am

      I don’t get the whole owner thing. Do any of these owners have legal rights or keys to the building? Is it just a manipulation tactic to make them feel like they are important?

      • Kelly Jan 9, 2015 8:31 am

        The only “key” to ownership is that members have rights, owners have responsibilities. You’re not allowed to serve if you’re not a member. They called them owners bc his philosophy is if you’re a member of a pool or a gym you go to use it and that’s all. If you’re an owner you put in your time and money (tithe) and help keep it running. That’s the only reason why they call it that. And NewSpring is definitely not the only church to use that terminology. There are hundreds. So you may just want to move on from being nitpicky.

        • David Rhee Jan 9, 2015 9:12 am

          Understand the concept behind but that is a bad terminology to use…

          No one owns the church except Christ (hence, the head of the body of Christ, the bridegroom, and Lord)… So are you implying that if we don’t tithe nor put time (do not know in what definition) into the church, we can not be owners (using the terminology)…

          I have heard that terminology from other churches? Yes, seeker/purpose and emergent churches and most of them are at best confused… At worse, heretical…

          Just understand words do matter.. How you say it, use it, and its definition… I am not an English linguistic person but I understand the importance of using the right word… This is one of those that just does not make any sense..

          The better word would be a member (which what many churches call their congregation that love, serve, and worship together in Christ)?

          • Kelly Jan 9, 2015 9:36 am

            If that’s what you want to take it as then go for it. Clearly you’re trying to twist words and make it negative. There have been many times that members of churches just come and go as they please. Using the word “owner” explains they just don’t want a face in the crowd. They want involvement.

          • David Rhee Jan 9, 2015 10:36 am

            Kelly,

            Twisting words? You should truly discern yourself or take a linguistic class to check on your understanding of language and definitions… I think you and Newspring are twisting the words and redefine meanings to make something else.. This is what we call post-modern thinking and arguments… It is flawed and has no objectivity to even place an argument..

            Who is the one that call all the members of the church to be owners? You stated yourself that because of this (member do not take responsibility), we are using this term (owner)… Well, the term (owner) has its own meaning which do not necessarily align and at times, contradicts what you are trying to imply to it (member).. Who is trying to redefine words now?

            Could an owner be a member? Yes… But not all members are owners… They are two distinct definitions.
            Does that mean members do not have responsibilities? No.. They do.. DO all members have owner responsibilities? The answer is no.. They could but they don’t necessarily do..

            Here is another analogy to make it clearer for you:

            The body has a brain, heart, toe nail (as most human does), etc. does it not?

            By your analogy, you are telling me
            heart, toe nail, brain, etc. are all owners…

            Break it down:
            1) Doesn’t the brain have function and responsibilities? Does not all parts of the body have certain responsibilities or functions?

            The answer is yes that all parts of the body have responsibilities and functions.

            2) Does the heart tell the brain how to think? Does the heart tell the toe nail how to grow?

            The answer is clearly no…

            Could you tell me that the heart is consider the owner of the body?

            No.. Therefore, a heart is considered a member of the body.. Using #1 to the conversation, you clearly see a member could have responsibilities and functionality within the body without being an owner

            3) If the part could have ownership, could that particular part change roles and functions?

            As you know, the answer is no… I have never seen a heart change function and start working like a brain..

            So the structure of ownership of the church does not change.. A member can’t all of sudden own the church…

            4) Who owns the church?

            If you read the Bible, the church is made as an analogy to a body (hence, why I use the same analogy above)..The church is owned by the Christ.. Hence, the body of Christ (another analogy, He is the bridegroom and the church a bride.. As the bride submits to the husband to be.. Hence, the bride under the husband).. As we put it, Christ is the head of the church (which is biologically true because the head which consist of the brain, medulla, etc. regulate, maintain, and control the homeostasis of the body as well as telling other parts of the body how to function and execute their responsibilities…)
            Does that mean the parts are going to execute? No.. We have blindness because the eye stop functioning… That does not change the relationship between the head and body parts nor does it change the head’s ownership of the body..

            BTW, Perry Noble is not the head nor the brain of the church.. A pastor is part of the body and not the owner of the church.. Is there hierarchy in the church yes.. But pastors (or shepherds) have functionality and responsibilities to the church but are not owners.. Neither are the elders… Ownership is Christ…

            Read 1 Corn. 12:12-27 (in the context of people thinking one spiritual gift is better than another) should validate my argument..

            People who come and go are usually called visitors or guests…. They are not members but trying to found the church’s theology.. So they would not be a member because they are not given any responsibility (hence, a visitor or guest)

            People who became a member of a particular church have the right to stay or go… That happens due to church planting, mission work… What makes a particular person a member is his/her public affirmation and allegiance to the church and its privileges and responsibilities that comes with it.. That is what we call MEMBERSHIP..

            This is simple vocabulary of what those words means..

            Members who do not want to serve the church doesn’t mean that they don’t have responsibilities… Rather, they choose not to be responsible.. That don’t make them owners just because they take and fulfilled their responsibilities..
            In that analogy, if I have to build a computer for my company… I am the owner of the computer because I took responsibility and completed my objectives..

          • Kelly Jan 9, 2015 12:54 pm

            And I agree with that. We are all parts of the body. We all have purpose. But if a member doesn’t feel like they need to do anything, just join and leave their convictions as a part of the body at the door, then they need to be challenged. NewSpring used that terminology as a challenge. Own your role in the body. Serve and use your gifts. So on. And there is leadership in that church. Perry doesn’t come up with everything so if I reference Perry its not just Perry I’m talking about necessarily. I say Perry bc he’s the one under attack here.
            This is to everyone – As I’m saying all of this, I honestly don’t know why we are taking time discussing aspects of NewSpring on here anyway since this blog is specifically about one sermon that has been recently elaborated on. Any questions regarding Perrys and NewSprings belief and leadership could easily be answered on the church’s website. Don’t talk behind their backs about flawed theology. Email them about your concerns with their faith and actually practice Biblical principles since you preach them so well.

          • Robbie Jan 12, 2015 12:15 am

            Kelly,You seem to be an intelligent person and I understand you are defending your church and Pastor. I don’t claim to know much about NS except from a few family members that attend. They profess christianity while openly and willfully living a sinfilled lfe. When I make this statement I am not judging, the Bible says we will know them by their fruits. This however happens in other churches as well. The next few statements are general and can pertain to any Pastor. The worse thing any Preacher can do is deliver watered down sermons. The 10 commandments were given to define sin for us and show us our need for a Savior. Many, many people are going to be fooled by false teachers who are very good at saying what a hurting world wants to hear. It’s easy to respect someone so much that we believe everything they say. All I’m saying to you is something I had to say to myself, don’t let someone spoonfeed God’s word to you. Read and study for yourself and ask the Holy Spirit to reveal what God wants you to understand. God Bless you.

        • David Rhee Jan 9, 2015 9:18 am

          Note, members have responsibilities as well in a group.. That is why they are called members..

          Your analogy that members uses a pool would equate that they either have to pay to go into the pool or spent money to have a pool.. Yes, they could go into their friend’s pool (without cost) but that would not be a membership… That is a privilege.. The friend’s pool is not be something public that people could apply for membership..

          Sorry, if I sound nit picky but the whole concept sound a bit puffering to make people at New Spring feel they are all important.. It sounds like accountability but in reality it does not…

  14. Leslie Jan 9, 2015 9:04 am

    Mary Catherine, I am truly hoping that if you are a follower of Christ, your intention is not to be as mean spirited and critical as you are coming across in your comment. Maybe you will consider trying to understand why a church uses a different term for membership before making assumptions and commenting online.

    It grieves me to read so many of these divisive, hurtful comments coming from lowly sinners saved by His grace. Newspring is not my cup of tea. I worship in a PCA church and, believe me, the style of worship, preaching approach and some of the theology at Newspring are problematic in my opinion. But I took the time to listen to this sermon and Noble’s love for Jesus and desire to see the lost find new life in Him is clear. Could he possibly be wrong on some theological points, but still be a genuine child of God?

    I’m all for speaking the truth in love. I do think some of Duncan’s points are valid and should be discussed and brought to Noble’s attention. But Christians, before you make comments online or spend endless hours criticizing Newspring and Noble to your “tribe,” please ask the Lord if your words and the intentions of your heart are to edify the body of Christ.

    • David Rhee Jan 9, 2015 9:37 am

      Leslie,

      You should truly read the Bible and check what Paul writes.. If you preach a different gospel, Paul writes that person to be cursed.. So again, doctrine is important (Galatians would be a good epistle to read)… Also, just because you preach Jesus and “bring them to Christ” do not equate that they are preaching Biblically… Remember, Muslims proclaim Jesus… It just happens to be the false prophet (who is not God but man)…

      Let’s look at Matthew 7:21-23..

      21 Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

      The most important part of our discussion is LAWLESSNESS… That is why theology matters.. So Perry Noble “preaching” with the wrong theology would be called LAWLESSNESS.. That is something that is contrary to the Word of God… Added, Perry Noble believes the end justifies the mean (pragmatism).. That is not what the Bible teaches (the narrow gate compare to the broad gate)… So adding secular song (that is clearly not Biblically in content) into the service to so call attract new members Biblically?

      I always post that I don’t care if your proclaim Jesus until your theology is Biblically sound.. I am not taking cusp discussions like infant baptism.. But Christian foundation… One of those important foundation is rightly handling the Word of God… Perry continues to fail on that on every sermon I have listened…

      Has Perry Noble truly repent on the sins of his very actions that are now public and clear? No.. That should tell you clearly he is not a Christian…

      Again, you are assuming Perry Noble is in the body of Christ.. He ain’t for his fruit (his theology).. As Christians, we are rebuke and if he refuse to repent. We are to kick him out, not associate, or call him a brother…. Why people rebuke him after the fact.. He calls himself a Christian but do things contrary to the Word of God.. He brings dishonor to God…

      Also, the body of Christ does not have tribe (I could clearly see your belief in Driscoll’s nonsense of tribalism.. By the way, it is not Biblical… Try listen to Fighting for the Faith and search Tribalism and Driscoll which Christ Rosebrough breaks down the fallacy and error of that idea)…

      • Mary Willis Jan 9, 2015 11:01 am

        It is as if he is not really hearing the Holy Spirit but a familiar spirit. In the Binle you will read of familiar spirits that come as light. Truly I wish he would repent . I would love if he was preaching the truth. I have the Ten Commandments on my wall , I show my children it is very simple.

        • Leslie Jan 9, 2015 11:09 am

          I agree that Noble’s delivery of the Ten Commandments was incomplete and distorted. However, there IS a relationship between God’s law and His promises. “Do not steal” is certainly related to God’s promise to provide for His children! It’s just not the primary meaning of the text. Again, I think Noble could benefit from some good, solid seminary classes on exegesis of the Scriptures, but I would not go so far as to call him a false teacher or unbeliever.

          • David Rhee Jan 9, 2015 12:43 pm

            No .. That is being eisegetic..

            DO not steal means DO NOT STEAL.. If any statement would to love your neighbor (like the greatest command that Jesus states of the Shema and love your neighbor as yourself)….

            Your statement are adding the reason why and has no basis to state that is true….. So if I go hungry being one of God’s children the whole day, then God is not fulfilling the promise (that You just stated).. I know many Christians who are persecuted who can’t eat… You need to reading into the text as if you know how God thinks…

            If God was to provide for us, then we would not need in our Lord’s prayer:
            “Give us today, our daily bread”…

            Since we don’t steal, we have the promise.. Why would we pray for our daily bread?

            Again, the promise from the Law would all equate that we are all dead in sin… Not God will promise his Children .. That is not what 10 commandments are pointing to…

  15. RoseDove Jan 9, 2015 9:48 am

    Hello to all my Christian Friends,
    We need to stop listening to what other people say the Bible Means or what they think God told them. And read the Bible ourselves, it is written and should not be changed. I think Christians “some” are waiting for what a church leader has to say, instead of finding out what God has to say through reading the Bible. God is Good, but unfortunately not all of us are!
    May God Bless all of you with the true understand of his Spirit Filled Word. The Holy Bible.
    RoseDove

    • David Rhee Jan 9, 2015 10:41 am

      RoseDove,

      I concur and hence why many brothers in Christ are stating what the Bible explicitly states and means.. But Perry Noble don’t think that way nor care to… That is why we posting to rebuke and plead that he repent and correct his way.. That is the heart of the issue and this conversation.

  16. Leslie Jan 9, 2015 10:39 am

    David, I disagree that Noble is preaching a “different” gospel. I don’t like the way in which he presented the 10 commandments and I do wish he had chosen to explain the purpose of the Law, but I don’t hear him preaching LAWLESSNESS. Perhaps you will consider emailing Noble some questions or, better yet, asking him to lunch so you can hear his heart and discuss his beliefs on the purpose of the law. That’s what I would do before I making accusations online.

    I must say that I am shocked that you would come right out and say Perry Noble is not a Christian. I encourage you to prayerfully reconsider your judgement of the salvation of a man who preaches salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone. Would you also say that Billy Graham is not a child of God because he doesn’t have “perfect” theology? I held many distored theological positions for 30 years and was still a new creation in Christ. I’m sure there are still some areas where I misinterpret Scripture and have gotten it wrong.

    I have no idea what you’re talking about with the Driscoll tribalism thing. I am aware of who Driscoll is, but have never once even listened to a sermon or read one of his books. I used the word tribe to describe a group of Christians who have drawn such a tight theological circle that they begin to believe they and their own tiny little group of like-minded friends are the only ones going to heaven.

    If you don’t mind rereading my comment, you’ll see that I explicitly stated the importance of speaking the truth in love. I said, “I do think some of Duncan’s points are valid and should be discussed and brought to Noble’s attention.” I appreciate your exhortation to read Paul’s words and Galations, one of my favorite books in fact! I will gladly read it again today. Will you please prayerfully consider my exhortation to ask the Lord to search your heart to see if your words and intentions are to edify the body of Christ?

    • David Rhee Jan 9, 2015 12:30 pm

      Leslie,

      Not only have I listened to his sermon multiple times, I have seen his interviews and comments of his “preaching style and methods”… Also, many pastors who are very Biblically has addressed their concerns privately (and attempted to talk with him which we do know that he has refuses to speak several of them) and publicly.. Dr. Duncan’s His story should tell you how many people have tried to contact him and address his “preaching”.. It has resulted in backlash and “revenge” action by Perry and NewSpring…

      Also, I would like to point that I take my statement seriously (as if I don’t).. But a Christian is someone who REPENT daily for their sin… That includes everything from sin of commission and omission… One of those is rightly handling the Word of God… I kindly ask you to consider reviewing his previous sermons.. Would even recommend Chris Rosebrough’s Fighting for the Faith… H places his commentary (and concerns) in the preaching and validates through the Bible.. There are too many points where he (Perry) is flat out wrong.. I have not heard once of him repenting! Where is his sorry/apology to Dr. Duncan for the things he has done to him? Settling in the case does not mean he is sorry… A unrepented man is not saved man.. We all know that… Now, does that mean a man who did not repent be saved? Yes if he repents and mourns of sin and kill sin! Added, does he continue to preach Biblical theology? The answer is no..

      I do this out of love.. It is show his fault so he could be repent and be right with God… This is not by my standard but what is clearly written in the Word of God.. But when a brother refuses to repent, I follow the Matthew 18 narrative..

      “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.” (Matthew 18:15-17)

      That is clearly what Chris Rosebrough and Dr. Duncan has done… The issue is NewSpring didn’t do anything but sided with Perry in his false teaching.. I don’t expect pastors to teach theology perfectly.. But it is one thing to teach something wrong.. It is another not admit and repent for the wrong… He keep trying to defend himself on something that is wrong (AC/DC is the intro music to a church service is one of many)…

      There are some links that sums up some of Perry Noble issue:
      http://www.empoweredbychrist.org/perry-noble.html
      http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/
      http://www.gty.org/blog/B111028/the-belephantb-in-the-elephant-room (the argument John MacArthur uses against Perry Noble’s idea that worship is a matter of preference)

      Guess what, all these issues equated to no known apology to what is clearly sin…

      Look, in his very sermon…. HE has clearly stated that there is no Hebrew word for command… Then if you take out the word command, it would equate into promises or sayings…

      Then the literature would be stating in that passage that you don’t have any law… Laws could have promises but not all promises comes out of command.. When God promises that Abraham will be the father of many nations, did he command Abraham to do something on that matter? No… The issue is the his statement and logical flow on Perry Noble’s sermon is way off-base..

      Look at Deut 5:1 where Moses is reiterated the 10 Commandments, the emphasis that Moses state ordinances and statues..That would not be a promise but a command; this is not a directive as some of the posters have made… Directive has no judgment to the individual action as they state is a guide.. If it is a directive, how you follow it does not matter but only the end result if any.. I would think God’s command is not a guide but rather show His character especially what He abhors… SIN! So you think his preaching don’t question the Christian foundation of beliefs…

      The sermon he is trying to do is similar to Biblical prooftexting of his idea and trying to make the Bible fit into his idea.. That is called eisegesis… We are to exegetically speak of the Truth… To use the similar analogy.. Is to just like talking about the Love of God but not address the wrath of God… As many modern “Christians” state that you don’t need to repent because the Gospel according to John don’t talk about.. But they clearly ignore the fact that the other 3 Gospels do… As I would point out, what are you believing in Christ for? Why are you believing in Christ? That is where SIN comes out very clearly in the Bible… We believe Christ saved us from our sins because we see that we can’t save ourselves.. That He died for our sin and rose up from the grave… And by faith in Christ (who is fully man and fully God), that we could be right with God (penal substitution and our justification).. Twisting of word is not always about sin of commission but also sin of omission… So how does the 10 saying / promise points in the basic foundation of his argument.. There is no need to address sin… Again, trying to include definition of command to only mean promise or saying is redefining things completely (which Perry Noble did)

      Here are some links:
      http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php/2015/01/06/yes-perry-hebrew-has-multiple-words-that-mean-command-and-uber-confident-devin-rose-demands-i-own-a-time-machine/

      Added, this is suppose to be a direct revelation from God.. So with so much error, isn’t Perry Noble using God’s name in vain.. Another sin!

      Forgive me in that Mark Driscoll was not the inventor of the word, tribalism.. Actually, he used it in the Elephant Room conference.. I will use Fighting for Faith transcript

      https://craigbrownsreformedtheology.wordpress.com/2013/07/23/fighting-for-the-faith-with-chris-rosebrough-mark-driscolls-tribal-christianity/

      But tribalism is a bad idea to.. To every tribe, there is a chief… The issue is, who is the “leader” of the tribe? Biblically, that would be Christ… But how could so many tribes have Christ as a leader? Then, there is no thing as a tribe.. Rather we are all in one catholic church.. Universal church.. Not tribe.. All Christians are to be liked-minded (even in our diversity).. That is our belief and theology.. So again, why would there is tribalism in the body of Christ? There is no need…

  17. Oldspringer Jan 9, 2015 12:16 pm

    I am glad that this blog is drawing a larger crowd daily. As a 21 year old male. I attended newspring in high school and on Sunday on in off the past 4-5 years. I went mostly for the fellowship and the music and the entertain preaching. My fuse experience was a difficult one. They played all modern music over the speakers including katy Perry’s (I kissed a girl). They had differnet Themes and the fuse attendees would dress accordingly. Girls would often wear clothing so short and immodest it would be very unacceptable even at a public high school. It was difficult to take the messages seriously after these things. Now for the actually newspring church. I went and they played wrecking ball by miley cyrus, fall out boy songs, And Bruno Mars the music never really felt right to me. Then Perry’s preaching was blasphemous, loud, and proud. He never used enough scripture to back his points up. He would take two verse and preach a sermon out of context (It’s pretty easy to tell even for a college student). I found going here was actually bringing me down spiritually. I found this blog in September and frequent it often. I decided that I will not attended this church ever again, but I feel that people need to open their eyes up to the reality of newspring. 1. It’s a mega church with literally little to no accountability. 2 perry noble is a proud man with a communications degree that required one Bible class. 3 it’s after the money. 4 it’s not preaching the Bible the way it was supposed to be preached. Please “owners” open your eyes.

  18. Leslie Jan 9, 2015 12:57 pm

    Matthew 6 tells me God will provide what I need. I’m not sure how to interpret it any other way. “Therefore do not be anxious, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the Gentiles seek after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.”

    God’s commands are given because He is Holy. If we obey them, we will be spared the direct consequences of breaking His law. He has promised in Matthew 6 to care for His children. Maybe in His perfect, sovereign plan, what I NEED is to experience physical hunger. Maybe what I NEED to to be taken home to heaven. I can trust Him because He works all things together for the good of those who have been called according to His purpose.

  19. It's all about Jesus Jan 9, 2015 1:12 pm

    The Word of God clearly states that NOT one jot or tittle should be changed. I think Perry will have to answer for what he is saying. Gods word also clearly states he is the same yesterday, today and foreve.
    Sin is sin I don’t care who says its promises.
    Being gay is a sin and will send you to hell just as lying, adultery and sex outside of marriage (between a man and woman)
    My word also says in the last days there will be false prophets.
    Before everyone states all the good this church does ( I agree with that they do great deeds) the word also says have we not did this in your name and Jesus clearly says depart from me you never knew me.
    I know 100’s of people that attend this church. I see their fruits. Most are never changed from the sin they were doing before they just cover it up with the going to church every time the doors are opened. Sin is sin always will be sin.
    I also see that most I know are following a man they can’t even reach or speak with if in need.
    Jesus never sat himself apart and became un reachable he was able to be touched by many.
    Anytime a pastor doesn’t make himself reachable there is a problem there. God called us to reach all men.
    I think as most people that these followers have confused him with being like Jesus he is a man a flesh like us all. He can not save you.
    I’ve seen others cry because they saw him out and he spoke to them.
    I feel he is being put on a pestal and looking down on others like he was a king. There is only one leader that’s Jesus Christ. There’s only one way to salvation that’s thru the confusing of our sins and stating that Jesus is Lord.
    We must pray and seek Jesus for ourself and ask him to show us the truth and he will.
    No other man only Jesus….
    Man is getting Rich from people being confused.
    Kingdoms will rise but they will also fall.
    #JesusisKingofKings #LordofLords #hescomingbacktojudgeanation

  20. Chuck Jan 9, 2015 1:47 pm

    There once was a radical thinker who said and did things differently and challenged spiritual traditions and encouraged a new way of thinking that got Him crucified by the leaders of the church. His name was Jesus. Perry is definitely unorthodox, but he is leading people to Christ that traditional churches will never reach. We should be celebrating what he’s doing, not criticizing it. Infighting is a big part of the church and country’s spiritual demise. As Christians, we should be different, yet we are so much like the world that the world does not see Christ in us.(and FYI, I have attended a few services at Newspring, but attend and serve elsewhere, so I am not a member of Perry’s “cult”.)

  21. Leslie Jan 9, 2015 4:53 pm

    The bottom line is that there are people who are so open and accepting and liberal theologically that basically anything goes as long as Jesus’ name is attached to it.

    On the other end of the spectrum, there are those whose theological circle is so small, they believe only themselves and their tiny little tribe of like-minded friends are going to heaven.

    And then there are those who believe that while it’s absolutely necessary to speak the truth in love to those in error, it’s possible that even those with some distorted/wrong theology might still, in fact, belong to the body of Christ if they preach salvation by grace through faith in Jesus alone. I do believe I’ll see Martin Luther, CS Lewis, GK Chesterton and Billy Graham (and even some of you…;-) in heaven, even though we have some pretty significant theological differences.

    • Bob Fox Jan 11, 2015 11:18 pm

      To Leslie: God’s doctrine defines Christianity. Essential doctrine is essential to salvation. If I say Jesus is Michael the Archangel or the spirit brother of Lucifer, I am not saved because I have faith in a different Jesus that does not save. In essential doctrine there has to be unity and in non-essentials…liberty. I can believe in pre, mid or post tribulation period and it has no effect on my salvation. The problem with this particular subject is faulty exegesis of the text involving the ten commandments. What do you mean when you use the words “theological differences”? If a pastor calls commandments promises because he wants to make sure people are not turned off to Christianity, he defeats the purpose of using God’s word through the Holy Spirit to transform unsaved people. The people that are turned off to Christianity are not turned off because they know they cannot be obedient to the commandments. They are turned off because they don’t want to acknowledge the commandments or their Author. Transformation comes when a person realizes who they are, who God is, and their need for a Savior. The fact that promises could be the byproduct of trying to be obedient to the commandments is no reason to water down God’s Word.

      • Leslie Jan 11, 2015 11:57 pm

        When I said “theological differences,” of course I meant the non-essentials. I thought I made that clear when I wrote that some people are so open that anything goes as long as Jesus’ name is attached to it. Let me be clear. I would not attend Newspring. I personally have significant issues with the worship/music, preaching style, evangelism approach, church “government” (or lack thereof), and non-essential theology. But from all I can gather, I believe Perry Noble preaches salvation by grace through faith in Jesus alone as evidenced by his blog entry on Friday,

        “I apologize for saying there was not an actual Hebrew word for command.

        In way more research than I have ever done I realized that statement was not correct. (The original Hebrew is “metzaveh”.) In no way was I deliberately trying to mislead or deceive anyone. I simply recalled a conversation I had (which I now see I did not fully understand), looked back at my notes and taught the message. I now realize I should have put way more time into doing research before making that statement.

        However, what I am not apologizing for is saying that the Hebrew word for “command” is not used when the 10 commandments were given. It literally means “sayings” – and, according to Exodus 34:28, can also be interpreted as promises.

        As a friend from Israel shared with me…
        “The word command, as well as commandment, is used to translate the Hebrew word mits’vah but does not properly convey the meaning of mits’vah. The word command implies words of force or power as a General commands his troops. The word mits’vah is better understood as a directive. To see the picture painted by this word it is helpful to look at a related word, tsiyon meaning a desert or a landmark. The Ancient Hebrews were a nomadic people who traveled the deserts in search of green pastures for their flocks. A nomad uses the various rivers, mountains, rock outcroppings, etc as landmarks to give them their direction. The verb form of mits’vah is tsavah meaning to direct one on a journey. The mits’vah of the Bible are not commands, or rules and regulations, they are directives or landmarks that we look for to guide us.”

        However, regardless of what Bible scholars and Hebrew speaking Christians in Israel believe the list of God’s 10 points in Exodus should be called (I have heard conflicting positions), the points themselves are clearly written as imperatives—“You shall…you shall not….” I did not, and would never deny that!

        The reality of it all is that all of us have broken all ten commands.

        The Old Testament was not given to us to show us how awesome we are, but how sinful we are and how much we all need a Savior.

        None of us are perfect.

        All of us fall short of God’s standards for our lives.

        All of us need Jesus.

        My desire in sharing this message was to point people to Christ. And, it’s so awesome as I reflect back on this and know that even though I said an inaccurate statement to know what Paul said in I Corinthians 1:21 is true.

        “For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.”

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  24. PG Jan 11, 2015 1:23 pm

    This is the same church that has included the song “Highway To Hell” by AC/DC, “Wrecking Ball” by Miley Cyrus, and “Firework” by Katy Perry as well as other secular songs in their worship sets under the guise that it “brings people into the church that might not normally come”. We know what these secular artists stand for.

    Satan is alive and well in the modern church! What should be bringing people into church is the leading of the Holy Spirit and the preaching of the word of God. “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. Matthew 21:13 “So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh”.

    My message to NewSpring is to heed Galations 5:16 – “Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect”. Romans 12:2

    In Matthew 21:13 Jesus drove out the merchants from the temple saying, “‘My house will be called a house of prayer,’ but you are making it ‘a den of robbers.’” I can only imagine how He feels when churches like NewsSpring play songs like “Highway To Hell” in His.

  25. Matt Jan 11, 2015 8:22 pm

    So, there has been some controversy surrounding my church and my pastor. I want to begin by saying, “Thank you,” to Perry and everyone involved in New Spring. I have learned a lot in the past few days after hearing people like Kevin Boling and Melton Duncan bash and refute the sermon Perry preached on Christmas Eve. I believe that, even though Perry says he spent 10 minutes on his sermon, he was guided by the Holy Spirit (much like Aaron and Moses didn’t spend hours or days on their speeches to Pharaoh). I have also learned that not every sermon is for everyone. This one, I do believe, was for me and I have spoken with a few people about what Perry taught me and have been able to show them that Perry was not trying to “rewrite” The Bible. I believe he was helping us to understand what God is trying to do in our lives. I also believe that Mr. Boling and others who are trying to refute what Perry said are showing poor leadership by trying to find what is wrong instead of trying to find what is right and building that up. With that being said, I would like to say what I think Perry was trying to convey in his message.

    Since there is no word for “command” in the Hebrew language this can be BEST interpreted as “10 speakings of Jesus” or it can also be interpreted as “10 Promises from God.” Commands are hard to follow and can set us up for failure. The 10 Promises He made to us are basically summed up as “If you say yes to Jesus, for the most part you won’t do these 10 things.” He will help us become the best people we can be. If we do end up breaking one, we are able to repent and we are forgiven. He will teach us ways to not break them again.

    1) You don’t have to live in constant disappointment anymore.
    – nothing in this world can sustain your worship
    – no other “god” can do better
    – we always think we can find something better until we find God
    2) You can be free from rituals and religion and trust in a relationship.
    – no relics
    – “grab onto Me”
    3) You can trust in a name that is above every other name.
    4) You can rest.
    – we get tired trying to please other gods
    – stop stressing
    5) Your family doesn’t have to fall apart.
    – He helps us have wisdom with our family
    – He will always love His wife and this will teach children how to love their spouse and treat others
    – we always end up dishonoring our family when we take our eyes off of God
    6) You do not have to live in a constant state of anger because you will be motivated by love and not hate
    – Christians tend to be mean to people who are different (EVEN OTHER CHRISTIANS)
    – He helps us forgive others
    – stops racism
    – everyone matters to God
    7) You do not have to live a life dominated by the guilt, pain and shame associated with sexual sin.
    – fire outside of a fireplace leads to destruction
    – you don’t have to sin sexually anymore
    8) I will provide
    – we don’t need to lie, cheat or steal anymore
    – look at the birds, won’t He take care of His children
    – wants vs NEEDS
    9) You do not have to pretend.
    – you can confess that you aren’t ok
    – “Its ok to not be ok, but its not ok to stay that way,”
    10) I will be enough
    – He will always be enough
    – you won’t have to wish you were somebody/somewhere else

    I hope Perry and everyone at New Spring continues to stay strong. Thank you all for everything you do. I know my family would not have lasted and I would be worse if New Spring never made its way to Charleston. It upsets me that Perry felt like he should have “apologized” for what he said.

    THE BEST IS YET TO COME!!!!!

    • Marcus Jan 14, 2015 4:04 pm

      Matt:

      A man guided by the Holy Spirit doesn’t preach a sermon negating the need for Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross. The whole point of the Commandments is that we are required to keep them and yet there is no way we can keep them. BUT GOD sent Jesus to make it so that there is grace for our not being able to keep them. Yes, we were set up for failure by the issuing of the Commandments. Thus, the necessity of Jesus. No Commandments/Law, no need for Jesus.

      Perry needs to be “guided” back to seminary, where he can learn how to properly and accurately exegete Scripture, and figure out Google Translate (Or just take some Hebrew classes). Would have prevented him from looking foolish on the whole “no Hebrew word for command” fiasco. Not to mention the rest of the unBiblical teachings contained in that sermon.

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  27. John Jan 15, 2015 7:04 pm

    Has an instruction gone out to New Spring people to cut and paste Perry’s announcements into this blog?

    Even when Perry himself admits (sort of) that he was woefully wrong, some of these NS’ers don’t want to believe he needed to apologize.

    Talk about idolatry! “He’s our man and we’re sticking to him, right or wrong!” When a pastor or his church encourages his followers to be more loyal to him as a person than to God and his Word, then I’m afraid “the best is not yet to come,” but the usual pattern of increasing controversy, spectacular scandal, the secular press finally taking notice and public dishonor to Christ. If the NewSpringers think this blog (basically composed of concerned Christians willing to give Noble and NS forgiveness and acceptance if there is true repentance and changes) imagine what it will be like when the secular press goes after him in a few years. Hopefully this is not the case, hopefully Noble will repent and remove himself from this unhealthy position asap. But if he continues to allow folks like Matt to idolize him, then he’s not putting himself or his staff or congregation in a good place.

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  30. JC Jan 17, 2015 8:45 am

    The strange thing here is that each individual point made (without rewriting them as a “commandment”) but made as a sermon itself would be acceptable to the Christian community. So maybe the question we should be asking should be about why we believe such contradictory information. Grace or judgement, judgement or grace. The church often adopts some confusing amalgamation of the two that usually is a pastor specific interpretation. I could say that the best thing to do is to do what the Bible tells me, but the Bible does the same thing. So, personally, I do my best to follow the teachings of Jesus. For some reason this has become a radical point of view. But, in Christianity, it really is the absolutely only thing that matters.

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