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	<title>Comments on: Noble&#8217;s Defense of Multi-site Churches</title>
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		<title>By: Tommy F</title>
		<link>http://www.pajamapages.com/nobles-defense-of-multi-site-churches/comment-page-2/#comment-5827</link>
		<dc:creator>Tommy F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 22:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chadwick,

Right. No one has shown up to defend Noble &amp; NS from my post (9/16, above). It&#039;s as if he&#039;s reading his own special Bible with his own special interpretation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chadwick,</p>
<p>Right. No one has shown up to defend Noble &amp; NS from my post (9/16, above). It&#8217;s as if he&#8217;s reading his own special Bible with his own special interpretation.</p>
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		<title>By: chadwick</title>
		<link>http://www.pajamapages.com/nobles-defense-of-multi-site-churches/comment-page-2/#comment-5825</link>
		<dc:creator>chadwick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noble quoted Acts 8 as his proof text for &quot;multi-site&quot; churches:

&quot;Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word.&quot;

The text said THEY [Apostles] (PLURAL) . . . not just Pastor Peter went everywhere preaching.
 
It seems that Noble is the &quot;insecure one.&quot; If he were to be BIBLICAL, he would send OTHER MEN (PLURAL)to preach in those &quot;multi-site&quot; churches. Oh, wait a minute . . . if Noble did that, he could not take the credit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noble quoted Acts 8 as his proof text for &#8220;multi-site&#8221; churches:</p>
<p>&#8220;Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word.&#8221;</p>
<p>The text said THEY [Apostles] (PLURAL) . . . not just Pastor Peter went everywhere preaching.</p>
<p>It seems that Noble is the &#8220;insecure one.&#8221; If he were to be BIBLICAL, he would send OTHER MEN (PLURAL)to preach in those &#8220;multi-site&#8221; churches. Oh, wait a minute . . . if Noble did that, he could not take the credit.</p>
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		<title>By: Tommy F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tommy F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 00:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott,

This blog seems to parallel Jude&#039;s concern. Jude&#039;s concern is for the followers and listeners of the teachers who are guilty of ethical and doctrinal error. His audience seems to be only those who may come across or are directly under the teachings of such teachers, rather than the teachers themselves. It&#039;s been well-documented here that PNoble has many layers of people in place on purpose to prevent such conversations from taking place.

In many ways the audience for this blog is for those who listen to PNoble, SFurtick, BCoop, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott,</p>
<p>This blog seems to parallel Jude&#8217;s concern. Jude&#8217;s concern is for the followers and listeners of the teachers who are guilty of ethical and doctrinal error. His audience seems to be only those who may come across or are directly under the teachings of such teachers, rather than the teachers themselves. It&#8217;s been well-documented here that PNoble has many layers of people in place on purpose to prevent such conversations from taking place.</p>
<p>In many ways the audience for this blog is for those who listen to PNoble, SFurtick, BCoop, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: James Duncan</title>
		<link>http://www.pajamapages.com/nobles-defense-of-multi-site-churches/comment-page-2/#comment-5728</link>
		<dc:creator>James Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 23:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, 

Paul and Downing have given you a good response, but I&#039;d add one more thing. It&#039;s not just Perry who&#039;s responsible for what he does with the Bible; you are too, especially when you know he&#039;s corrupting it.

You&#039;re willing to let Perry have an awkward moment before God, but how do you think that absolves you?

Have &lt;em&gt;you&lt;/em&gt; talked to Perry about this kind of stuff?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, </p>
<p>Paul and Downing have given you a good response, but I&#8217;d add one more thing. It&#8217;s not just Perry who&#8217;s responsible for what he does with the Bible; you are too, especially when you know he&#8217;s corrupting it.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re willing to let Perry have an awkward moment before God, but how do you think that absolves you?</p>
<p>Have <em>you</em> talked to Perry about this kind of stuff?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.pajamapages.com/nobles-defense-of-multi-site-churches/comment-page-2/#comment-5726</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott,

the way your are describing how we should respond to perry is exactly how false teaching survives.  John Mcarthur is very helpful here (and i&#039;m paraphrasing).  Those who twist the Bible often use the terms of unity, patience, private rebuke, mystery, etc. in maters of theology.  The fact of the matter is that if false teaching can only survive in these type of atmospheres.  Paul is greatly gentle with the sheep in his teaching, but has no patience for false teachers.  he understood what was at stake.  That&#039;s why in Galatians he wishes the false teachers would castrate themselves.  pretty strong language.  Noble&#039;s problem is not only is he twisting scripture, and teaching false things, he is often proud and arrogant about it when called out. i don&#039;t wish he would mutilate himself, but i do wish and pray that he repents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott,</p>
<p>the way your are describing how we should respond to perry is exactly how false teaching survives.  John Mcarthur is very helpful here (and i&#8217;m paraphrasing).  Those who twist the Bible often use the terms of unity, patience, private rebuke, mystery, etc. in maters of theology.  The fact of the matter is that if false teaching can only survive in these type of atmospheres.  Paul is greatly gentle with the sheep in his teaching, but has no patience for false teachers.  he understood what was at stake.  That&#8217;s why in Galatians he wishes the false teachers would castrate themselves.  pretty strong language.  Noble&#8217;s problem is not only is he twisting scripture, and teaching false things, he is often proud and arrogant about it when called out. i don&#8217;t wish he would mutilate himself, but i do wish and pray that he repents.</p>
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		<title>By: James Downing</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Downing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment Scott - So you agree that he twisted he twisted Scripture here? And that&#039;s not a big deal to you. Ok, it is to me.

To answer your question - my sincere desire is that Perry would repent of all his foolishness and lead these thousands of impressionable souls into a stronger relationship with the Lord.

As far as going to him - long story, but it is posted elsewhere on this blog. Short: He doesn&#039;t talk to us. B - Where does the assumption come from the PUBLIC teaching requires PRIVATE rebuke? While Perry is the one in error here, his listeners risk error if they follow what he is saying. It is my duty as a believer to call out false teaching.

Lastly, did God himself tell you that I will be held more accountable than Perry? Where did you get that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment Scott &#8211; So you agree that he twisted he twisted Scripture here? And that&#8217;s not a big deal to you. Ok, it is to me.</p>
<p>To answer your question &#8211; my sincere desire is that Perry would repent of all his foolishness and lead these thousands of impressionable souls into a stronger relationship with the Lord.</p>
<p>As far as going to him &#8211; long story, but it is posted elsewhere on this blog. Short: He doesn&#8217;t talk to us. B &#8211; Where does the assumption come from the PUBLIC teaching requires PRIVATE rebuke? While Perry is the one in error here, his listeners risk error if they follow what he is saying. It is my duty as a believer to call out false teaching.</p>
<p>Lastly, did God himself tell you that I will be held more accountable than Perry? Where did you get that?</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is at the latest unleash conference. I was there. i was playing in the band. He is talking to pastors. I will agree that his scripture isn&#039;t the best. And i truly believe he will be held accountable for any amount of adding and subtracting he does to that scripture. however, he is speaking directly to the creator of this page.
to the original author: are you trying to bring godly, loving, paul-like correction so perry can more effectively preach the gospel? or are you trying to put down and distroy reputaion for your own gain and enjoyment. if you truly were concerned and wanted to see this &quot;false teaching&quot; corrected, have you gone to him? have you sent him an email? he answers inquires and he admits to his faults and shortcoming. you are even worse and will be held even more accountable for your divisiveness than perry will be for trying to reach the lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is at the latest unleash conference. I was there. i was playing in the band. He is talking to pastors. I will agree that his scripture isn&#8217;t the best. And i truly believe he will be held accountable for any amount of adding and subtracting he does to that scripture. however, he is speaking directly to the creator of this page.<br />
to the original author: are you trying to bring godly, loving, paul-like correction so perry can more effectively preach the gospel? or are you trying to put down and distroy reputaion for your own gain and enjoyment. if you truly were concerned and wanted to see this &#8220;false teaching&#8221; corrected, have you gone to him? have you sent him an email? he answers inquires and he admits to his faults and shortcoming. you are even worse and will be held even more accountable for your divisiveness than perry will be for trying to reach the lost.</p>
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		<title>By: James Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul addressed his letters to churches and church leaders. They weren&#039;t sermons to be used in place of church, but teaching, encouragement and admonition that was to be incorporated into existing church activities. Paul was not the pastor of every Christian living in the Roman world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul addressed his letters to churches and church leaders. They weren&#8217;t sermons to be used in place of church, but teaching, encouragement and admonition that was to be incorporated into existing church activities. Paul was not the pastor of every Christian living in the Roman world.</p>
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		<title>By: James Downing</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Downing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason, I don&#039;t disagree with you. The idea of a multi-site church is certainyl grey area as far as scripture is concerned. Now, I have no problem with anyone studying scritpure and formulating an opinion on the matter - your example of Paul&#039;s letters is a good thought. Where my problem comes in, yes, on either side of the argument, is someone who decides what they are going to do, and then tries to twist scripture to make it fit their practice.
My argument against multi-site ould be very smilar to my argument against mega-churches that I posted a couple of weeks ago, &quot;Mega-church Conundrum&quot;.
If you read that article, I didn&#039;t make any dogmatic statements, or any firm declarations from scripture. I presented my viewpoint with limited scriptural evidence that was available, and I was graceful to the other side of the arguement.
The same would be true for a multi-site conversation. However, Perry cuts that discussion short by insulting my manhood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, I don&#8217;t disagree with you. The idea of a multi-site church is certainyl grey area as far as scripture is concerned. Now, I have no problem with anyone studying scritpure and formulating an opinion on the matter &#8211; your example of Paul&#8217;s letters is a good thought. Where my problem comes in, yes, on either side of the argument, is someone who decides what they are going to do, and then tries to twist scripture to make it fit their practice.<br />
My argument against multi-site ould be very smilar to my argument against mega-churches that I posted a couple of weeks ago, &#8220;Mega-church Conundrum&#8221;.<br />
If you read that article, I didn&#8217;t make any dogmatic statements, or any firm declarations from scripture. I presented my viewpoint with limited scriptural evidence that was available, and I was graceful to the other side of the arguement.<br />
The same would be true for a multi-site conversation. However, Perry cuts that discussion short by insulting my manhood.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I have some legitimate questions about multi site venues, I don&#039;t think that video venues are &quot;not biblical&quot;. Of course it&#039;s not in the Bible because there wasn&#039;t video, but reading through the letters of Paul you definitely get the idea that his 1 letter is passed around many times. I have no trouble imagining Paul using video to reach his churches through video. Now I  think the most important thing is that these venues and campuses have a biblical church structure through discipline and caring (and most of them do)

If what&#039;s being preached is biblical I don&#039;t think it matters if it&#039;s displayed on a video screen, and I think people who use the bible to say otherwise are as bad as multi site people using scripture to say it&#039;s definitive!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I have some legitimate questions about multi site venues, I don&#8217;t think that video venues are &#8220;not biblical&#8221;. Of course it&#8217;s not in the Bible because there wasn&#8217;t video, but reading through the letters of Paul you definitely get the idea that his 1 letter is passed around many times. I have no trouble imagining Paul using video to reach his churches through video. Now I  think the most important thing is that these venues and campuses have a biblical church structure through discipline and caring (and most of them do)</p>
<p>If what&#8217;s being preached is biblical I don&#8217;t think it matters if it&#8217;s displayed on a video screen, and I think people who use the bible to say otherwise are as bad as multi site people using scripture to say it&#8217;s definitive!</p>
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