Noble describes his vision 10

Perry Noble delivered his much anticipated presentation at Catalyst this morning and taught about vision. In case you weren’t able to attend, here’s some of what you missed.

When we make any agenda of the church anything other than Jesus, we make the church a prostitute….

You need a Holy Ghost enema….

God will always test a church planter in the first year to find out if he is a prophet or a prostitute.

What has he been watching lately?

Some more:

If Andy Stanley walked into your church, what change would he make?

First, Stanley would rewrite your Bibles. I wonder if it might be better to wonder what Jesus and Paul would do if they visited your church.

Don’t lead from inspiration, lead from revelation.

Many religious leaders have found that telling your followers to do something because God told you is very effective.

You should be able to see your vision and feel it.

If you can feel your vision, you probably need to see a doctor.

God is waiting for us to step up and take action.

God needs a hand. Hurry up!

10 thoughts on “Noble describes his vision

  1. Sara Crocker Oct 8, 2009 8:27 am

    People paid to hear this???

  2. James Duncan Oct 8, 2009 10:07 am

    And he was paid for saying it.

    But remember, Sara, “his biblical wisdom and insights exceed his years.”

    So whatever they paid was certainly worth it.

    (It would be interesting to ask PN some other time how he would describe a pastor who makes people pay him for sharing his biblical wisdom and insights.)

    • James Duncan Oct 8, 2009 10:23 am

      Pastoral ethics, in Noble’s own words:

      We are preachers and prophets not prostitutes. We don’t get paid for a service that makes people feel good.

      A prostitute is for sale…they get paid for a service in order to make someone feel better about themselves. Many pastors today are simply prostitutes–for sale

      Are you going to be motivated by money (thus becoming a prostitute, not a prophet)

  3. Paul Oct 8, 2009 1:18 pm

    i’m no expert at “Catalyst”. in fact, i’ve heard very little from it. What I have heard though is more motivational and “church” self-help topics, or church growth visions and ideas. Also, their speakers seem to be choses based on their “success”.

    Compare this approach wiht the Together for the Gospel gathering every other year. They preach the Gospel, study the Gospel, motivate people through the Gospel, teach about the Gospel, and are united on the Gospel. For example, in the last one….this was some of the line up.

    THabiti: THe Gospel and Race
    Sproul: the curse motiff on the GOspel
    Piper: Suffering and hte Gospel
    Mohler: penal substitionalry atonement
    Dever: What happens when you add to the GOspel
    Mahaney: Pastoral implications of the GOspel
    McArthur: Total Depravity and the GOspel.
    Duncan: Systematic theology and hte Gospel.

    which one is truly Gospel centered?

  4. JT Oct 8, 2009 1:21 pm

    >>Duncan: “It would be interesting to ask PN some other time how he would describe a pastor who makes people pay him for sharing his biblical wisdom and insights.”

    Wouldn’t it be wonderful if there was somehow a website that showed what Perry Noble said at Catalyst that was freely accessible from anywhere in the world with internet access?

    Oh wait. Didn’t you just post that link?

    Since when do you have to pay Noble to hear his insight?

  5. keitho Oct 8, 2009 2:04 pm

    JT,

    Apparently somebody paid him. True or not?

  6. JT Oct 8, 2009 4:01 pm

    Of course he was paid. Are you suggesting that a pastor should work for free?

    But that’s not the point.

    I’m saying that Duncan’s argument that Noble is a pastor “who makes people pay him for sharing his biblical wisdom and insights” is obviously false.

    If anything, Noble has gone out of his way to make his messages available to the public for free through podcasts, live online services, and weekly posted video messages.

  7. Ron Oct 8, 2009 5:05 pm

    From the church relevance link quoted in part at the top of this post: “When you lead, people will leave. If people aren’t leaving, you aren’t leading. You are going to make people mad. You don’t want to close the backdoor. In the Bible, the church is called a body. If you close the backdoor, you will constipate your church. You need a Holy Ghost enema.”

    Having left by the ‘back door’ of NS, I guess I know what I am, now. Dang…

  8. James Duncan Oct 8, 2009 6:03 pm

    The issue isn’t whether PN got paid. OF COURSE he got paid. I have no objection to that.

    It’s just that PN so often throws prostitution charges around, but they always apply to other pastors and their motives, never to him.

    It is to the conference’s credit that they provide this material online, but you do have to pay if you want the benefit of a personal audience with PN.

    (Seems like there might be a little parable about multisite in here somewhere. Why not just put it all online and make the whole thing free? Perhaps you wouldn’t do that if you thought there’s a benefit to being in the same room with the speakers.)

  9. Corner Coffee Oct 8, 2009 11:04 pm

    Noble calls pastors “prostitutes” when they only use their pulpit to make people feel good. Get it? (wink, wink)

    It’s not all that clever or funny, but I see what he’s getting at. Prostitutes get paid to make people feel good. Prophets speak the truth in love, no matter how good or bad it makes us feel, and do not change the message because of money.

    Noble does a pretty good job at explaining it on his blog. It’s a shame you misunderstood(?) him. (again)

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