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		<title>By: Corner Coffee</title>
		<link>http://www.pajamapages.com/nobles-describes-his-vision/comment-page-1/#comment-6168</link>
		<dc:creator>Corner Coffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 03:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noble calls pastors &quot;prostitutes&quot; when they only use their pulpit to make people feel good. Get it? (wink, wink)

It&#039;s not all that clever or funny, but I see what he&#039;s getting at. Prostitutes get paid to make people feel good. Prophets speak the truth in love, no matter how good or bad it makes us feel, and do not change the message because of money.

Noble does a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.perrynoble.com/?s=prostitute&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pretty good job&lt;/a&gt; at explaining it on his blog. It&#039;s a shame you misunderstood(?) him. (again)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noble calls pastors &#8220;prostitutes&#8221; when they only use their pulpit to make people feel good. Get it? (wink, wink)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not all that clever or funny, but I see what he&#8217;s getting at. Prostitutes get paid to make people feel good. Prophets speak the truth in love, no matter how good or bad it makes us feel, and do not change the message because of money.</p>
<p>Noble does a <a href="http://www.perrynoble.com/?s=prostitute" rel="nofollow">pretty good job</a> at explaining it on his blog. It&#8217;s a shame you misunderstood(?) him. (again)</p>
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		<title>By: James Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 22:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue isn&#039;t whether PN got paid. OF COURSE he got paid. I have no objection to that.

It&#039;s just that PN so often throws prostitution charges around, but they always apply to other pastors and their motives, never to him.

It is to the conference&#039;s credit that they provide this material online, but you do have to pay if you want the benefit of a personal audience with PN.

(Seems like there might be a little parable about multisite in here somewhere. Why not just put it all online and make the whole thing free? Perhaps you wouldn&#039;t do that if you thought there&#039;s a benefit to being in the same room with the speakers.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue isn&#8217;t whether PN got paid. OF COURSE he got paid. I have no objection to that.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just that PN so often throws prostitution charges around, but they always apply to other pastors and their motives, never to him.</p>
<p>It is to the conference&#8217;s credit that they provide this material online, but you do have to pay if you want the benefit of a personal audience with PN.</p>
<p>(Seems like there might be a little parable about multisite in here somewhere. Why not just put it all online and make the whole thing free? Perhaps you wouldn&#8217;t do that if you thought there&#8217;s a benefit to being in the same room with the speakers.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the church relevance link quoted in part at the top of this post: &quot;When you lead, people will leave. If people aren’t leaving, you aren’t leading. You are going to make people mad. You don’t want to close the backdoor. In the Bible, the church is called a body. If you close the backdoor, you will constipate your church. You need a Holy Ghost enema.&quot;

Having left by the &#039;back door&#039; of NS, I guess I know what I am, now.  Dang...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the church relevance link quoted in part at the top of this post: &#8220;When you lead, people will leave. If people aren’t leaving, you aren’t leading. You are going to make people mad. You don’t want to close the backdoor. In the Bible, the church is called a body. If you close the backdoor, you will constipate your church. You need a Holy Ghost enema.&#8221;</p>
<p>Having left by the &#8216;back door&#8217; of NS, I guess I know what I am, now.  Dang&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JT</title>
		<link>http://www.pajamapages.com/nobles-describes-his-vision/comment-page-1/#comment-6161</link>
		<dc:creator>JT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course he was paid. Are you suggesting that a pastor should work for free?

But that&#039;s not the point.

I&#039;m saying that Duncan&#039;s argument that Noble is a pastor &quot;who makes people pay him for sharing his biblical wisdom and insights&quot; is obviously false. 

If anything, Noble has gone out of his way to make his messages available to the public for free through podcasts, live online services, and weekly posted video messages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course he was paid. Are you suggesting that a pastor should work for free?</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s not the point.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m saying that Duncan&#8217;s argument that Noble is a pastor &#8220;who makes people pay him for sharing his biblical wisdom and insights&#8221; is obviously false. </p>
<p>If anything, Noble has gone out of his way to make his messages available to the public for free through podcasts, live online services, and weekly posted video messages.</p>
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		<title>By: keitho</title>
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		<dc:creator>keitho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JT,

Apparently somebody paid him.  True or not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JT,</p>
<p>Apparently somebody paid him.  True or not?</p>
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		<title>By: JT</title>
		<link>http://www.pajamapages.com/nobles-describes-his-vision/comment-page-1/#comment-6157</link>
		<dc:creator>JT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 17:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;Duncan: &quot;It would be interesting to ask PN some other time how he would describe a pastor who makes people pay him for sharing his biblical wisdom and insights.&quot;

Wouldn&#039;t it be wonderful if there was somehow a website that showed what Perry Noble said at Catalyst that was freely accessible from anywhere in the world with internet access? 

Oh wait. Didn&#039;t you just post that link?

Since when do you have to pay Noble to hear his insight?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;Duncan: &#8220;It would be interesting to ask PN some other time how he would describe a pastor who makes people pay him for sharing his biblical wisdom and insights.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it be wonderful if there was somehow a website that showed what Perry Noble said at Catalyst that was freely accessible from anywhere in the world with internet access? </p>
<p>Oh wait. Didn&#8217;t you just post that link?</p>
<p>Since when do you have to pay Noble to hear his insight?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 17:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m no expert at &quot;Catalyst&quot;.  in fact, i&#039;ve heard very little from it.  What I have heard though is more motivational and &quot;church&quot; self-help topics, or church growth visions and ideas.  Also, their speakers seem to be choses based on their &quot;success&quot;.  

Compare this approach wiht the Together for the Gospel gathering every other year.  They preach the Gospel, study the Gospel, motivate people through the Gospel, teach about the Gospel, and are united on the Gospel.  For example, in the last one....this was some of the line up.

THabiti:  THe Gospel and Race
Sproul: the curse motiff on the GOspel
Piper: Suffering and hte Gospel
Mohler: penal substitionalry atonement
Dever:  What happens when you add to the GOspel 
Mahaney: Pastoral implications of the GOspel
McArthur: Total Depravity and the GOspel.
Duncan: Systematic theology and hte Gospel.

which one is truly Gospel centered?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m no expert at &#8220;Catalyst&#8221;.  in fact, i&#8217;ve heard very little from it.  What I have heard though is more motivational and &#8220;church&#8221; self-help topics, or church growth visions and ideas.  Also, their speakers seem to be choses based on their &#8220;success&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Compare this approach wiht the Together for the Gospel gathering every other year.  They preach the Gospel, study the Gospel, motivate people through the Gospel, teach about the Gospel, and are united on the Gospel.  For example, in the last one&#8230;.this was some of the line up.</p>
<p>THabiti:  THe Gospel and Race<br />
Sproul: the curse motiff on the GOspel<br />
Piper: Suffering and hte Gospel<br />
Mohler: penal substitionalry atonement<br />
Dever:  What happens when you add to the GOspel<br />
Mahaney: Pastoral implications of the GOspel<br />
McArthur: Total Depravity and the GOspel.<br />
Duncan: Systematic theology and hte Gospel.</p>
<p>which one is truly Gospel centered?</p>
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		<title>By: James Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 14:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pastoral ethics, in Noble&#039;s own words:


&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.perrynoble.com/2008/07/16/pastorschurch-plantersbeware-part-one/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;We are preachers&lt;/a&gt; and prophets not prostitutes.  We don’t get paid for a service that makes people feel good.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.perrynoble.com/2006/11/21/seven-reasons-why-jesus-could-not-have-been-a-pastor-in-many-churches/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A prostitute is for sale&lt;/a&gt;…they get paid for a service in order to make someone feel better about themselves.  Many pastors today are simply prostitutes–for sale&lt;/blockquote&gt;


&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.perrynoble.com/2008/07/16/pastorschurch-plantersbeware-part-one/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Are you going&lt;/a&gt; to be motivated by money (thus becoming a prostitute, not a prophet) &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pastoral ethics, in Noble&#8217;s own words:</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.perrynoble.com/2008/07/16/pastorschurch-plantersbeware-part-one/" rel="nofollow">We are preachers</a> and prophets not prostitutes.  We don’t get paid for a service that makes people feel good.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.perrynoble.com/2006/11/21/seven-reasons-why-jesus-could-not-have-been-a-pastor-in-many-churches/" rel="nofollow">A prostitute is for sale</a>…they get paid for a service in order to make someone feel better about themselves.  Many pastors today are simply prostitutes–for sale</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.perrynoble.com/2008/07/16/pastorschurch-plantersbeware-part-one/" rel="nofollow">Are you going</a> to be motivated by money (thus becoming a prostitute, not a prophet) </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: James Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 14:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And he was paid for saying it.

But remember, Sara, &quot;his biblical wisdom and insights exceed his years.&quot;

So whatever they paid was certainly worth it.

(It would be interesting to ask PN some other time how he would describe a pastor who makes people pay him for sharing his biblical wisdom and insights.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And he was paid for saying it.</p>
<p>But remember, Sara, &#8220;his biblical wisdom and insights exceed his years.&#8221;</p>
<p>So whatever they paid was certainly worth it.</p>
<p>(It would be interesting to ask PN some other time how he would describe a pastor who makes people pay him for sharing his biblical wisdom and insights.)</p>
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		<title>By: Sara Crocker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara Crocker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 12:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People paid to hear this???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People paid to hear this???</p>
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