Not even close 6

Rick Warren:

If you feel far from God, guess who moved? You are as close to God as you choose to be.


No one understands; no one seeks for God.

6 thoughts on “Not even close

  1. Josh Sep 24, 2009 11:56 pm

    “Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you.” James 4:8.

    Not so far.

  2. Ron Sep 25, 2009 5:57 am

    Josh, I always looked to texts like James 4:8 as referring to those who are redeemed, especially in context to the audience of the book of James and in light of verses such as Ephesians 2:1-3. The spiritually dead do not seek to draw near to the God of the Bible but rather are, apart from the sovereign work of the Holy Spirit, are in rebellion against Him.

    This ‘new-speak’ of the lost as being ‘far from God’ rather than dead in sin and trespasses, as being ‘un-churched’in need of being ‘churched’ bothers me. It diminishes the severity of our fallen condition.

    Also, I once attended a liberal church where the pastor said that hell was drawing away from God and heaven was drawing near to Him. In retrospect, that sounds a bit like Rick Warren.

  3. Josh Sep 25, 2009 9:09 am

    So what he’s saying is correct if he’s talking about believers, incorrect if he’s talking about lost people. Since this is from his twitter and presumably directed at his church and people who follow his ministry, isn’t it unfair to assume he’s talking to lost people and is incorrect?

    I’m not a huge fan of RW, but it seems kinda uncharitable to call him out on something that is essentially a restatement of James 4:8.

  4. James Duncan Sep 25, 2009 9:37 am

    It’s not unfair. RW and co are the ones who decided that “far from God” was a useful moniker for the unsaved. When RW says far from God, I think it’s reasonable to assume that he means people who are not saved.

    If, as you argue, far from God actually refers to Christians, then RW’s fuzzy use of the term is actually misleading and unbiblical.

    See, when you monkey with biblical vocabulary, you usually end up with a circus.

  5. David Sep 25, 2009 7:29 pm

    RW thinks that God had a man shaped hole in his heart rather than man having a God shaped hole in the heart.

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