Reconciliation problem 17

Perry Noble says,

Uh…warning…the message on Lie # 5 “It’s Just Sex” that we designed today is definitely going to be rated R…wow!

Jesus Christ says,

Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.

The Apostle Paul says,

Do not cause anyone to stumble, whether Jews, Greeks or the church of God.

Does anyone else see a tiny conflict of visions here?

17 thoughts on “Reconciliation problem

  1. KeithO Sep 7, 2009 4:47 pm

    There is nothing tiny about this vision conflict. It is substantial and significant. If we are going to talk like we are in a bar, then let’s have this talk in the bar and not at church.

    Is this worship he is referring to, or is it a self help and realization seminar?

    Christ’s view of sex, and children are not allowed?

  2. David J Horn Sep 7, 2009 7:05 pm

    This tweet is just a reflection of Noble’s carnality and how he is captured by the love of the world. col 2:6-8

  3. Paul Sep 7, 2009 7:39 pm

    my heart goes out to the children, young singles, single moms and dads, widows and widowers who have to sit and listen to noble and these guys talk about sex in such a wordly,unbiblical way that makes it incredibly difficult to fight the lust of the flesh. I’ve heard testimonies of men and women who were saved out of sexual promiscuity only to find themselves in these type of “series” (Stetzer, Lamb, Driscoll, etc.) The testified how these “sermons” on sex only made them want to return to their lifestyle instead of seeing and savoring Christ and Him crucified as more precious than anything this world has to offer. A wise pastor understands this. If you want to talk about sex in a detailed fashion, fine have a class for it or something…fine. But not when everyone is gathered together.

  4. Tommy F Sep 7, 2009 9:44 pm

    Perhaps NS was at least polite enough to card at the door.
    Perhaps NS was kind enough to announce the message with a “MA: Mature audiences only” warning.

    If he didn’t then he either owes his tweeple an apology (for false advertising) or his audience (for not repeating the advertisement).

    If he did, I wonder what the reaction was from people who purposely avoid R rated films. Did they stay? Go? NS-ers please share…

  5. James Duncan Sep 7, 2009 9:49 pm

    Good questions, Tommy, but we won’t know for another week or two. He’s just advertising at the moment.

  6. JT Sep 7, 2009 9:50 pm

    To answer Tommy’s question:

    The sermon he is referencing above is still two Sundays away.

    I’ll let you know how “R” rated it is in a couple of weeks.

    Also, does anybody here know what hyperbole is?

    • James Duncan Sep 7, 2009 9:55 pm

      We eagerly await your report, JT.

      Why do you suppose this is hyperbole? They won’t be letting kids in, will they?

      Or is it that you’ve learned to dismiss all of his Sunday promotions as hype?

  7. KeithO Sep 7, 2009 10:47 pm

    I don’t dimiss PNs promotions as hype very easily. I believe him.

    I was at NS one Sunday last year when a dubious presentation was done about sex, done by a womean mostly discussing her “research” about how men think about women. I say presentation because it wasn’t a sermon taken from the Word of God. It reminded me of the Oprah show more than anything else.

    Has Jesus become so boring to today’s church consumer that sex topics have to take top billing in a worship service?

  8. JT Sep 7, 2009 11:42 pm

    Duncan asked, “Why do you suppose this is hyperbole?”

    Because I’ve heard him preach on sex before, and if it had been a movie it would have been PG.

  9. James Duncan Sep 8, 2009 7:07 am

    JT, so we’re going with the tried and true he-didn’t-mean-it defense again.

  10. Seth Sep 8, 2009 9:39 am

    I do not see a conflict of visions. The message is going to be on sex, which is taught in the Bible.

    The little kids have a program specifically designed for them in which they are taught Jesus and so bu not having them in the service does not mean they are not being taught about Jesus(unless you limit Jesus to only being in one place which I do not do).

    Talking on sex should not cause someone to stumble. I usually take that verse to be more literaly like done give a recovering prn addict porn to watch. because it can not mean to not preach on sex, that would be conflicting with the Bible, and since the Bible talks about sex, I see it as something that can be teached on and preached on and needs to be b/c there are alot of kids out there who do not know the truth or who needs to hear it.

  11. Paul Sep 8, 2009 10:58 am

    Seth,

    I do agree with you that the Church should/must be teaching about sex, but only as it is revealed in the text. The Bible has given us all we need to understand God’s view of sex. Preaching on this subject should not be hyped up or marketed. It shouldn’t contain any “shock value” which Noble likes to use so much. Just preach and explain what the Bible says in a reverant, straight-forward, Christ-centered way, and let the Holy Spirit do His work in conforming hearts and minds to Christlikeness. Sadly, many pastors want to be more like the world in how they talk about sex instead of how the Bible talks about sex.

  12. James Downing Sep 8, 2009 11:10 am

    I really hate this garbage. This is one of my biggest issues with all the new trendy churches. i’m sure the sermon will be complete with a provocative bumper video, and racy graphics. All for the sake of tittilation, and as JT pointed out, false advertising to boot. The problem with hyping your sermon with the promise of racy sex talk, is that you are unlikely to deliver on that hype. Why not stick to the Gospel and then deliver on that, rather than marketing to the horny 14 year-old boys, and then not delvering that which you advertised? This is the ugly end of the seeker-sensitive movement that makes me sick to my stomach. Grow up Perry. Sex should never be preached from the pulpit in “Wow! Rated R” terms.
    Is there a place for sex to be addressed in church? Yes. Marital counseling. And I would never consult Perry for that either.

  13. JT Sep 8, 2009 5:26 pm

    Duncan asked, “JT, so we’re going with the tried and true he-didn’t-mean-it defense again.”

    I’ll ask again: Does anybody here know what hyperbole is?

    If you are really going to take him literally, why aren’t you also asking why he is having the MPAA fly out to Anderson, SC just to rate his sermon?

  14. James Duncan Sep 8, 2009 6:54 pm

    What part of the Bible’s teaching on sex is inappropriate for children?

    It’s basically, If you’re married, enjoy it; if you’re not, don’t.

    There is nothing in the Bible that can’t be preached to children, but it occurred to me today that the source of this problem is that the Bible is not the source of this sermon. For five straight weeks, Noble is preaching from Satan’s bible. Satan’s five lies are Noble’s primary text, so it becomes absolutely necessary to dive into the filth to preach this stuff. Noble thinks that we must know what Satan says before we can know what God says.

    It’s backwards. It’s wrong.

    Why not just start and finish with God’s sufficient Word?

  15. Tommy F Sep 8, 2009 11:33 pm

    JT,

    Hyperbole? Sure. I love it and use it often (sex too, for that matter).

    Please guide us on how much to discount Noble’s comments? 50%, 40%, 30%? Am I getting hotter or colder?

    This is the problem with his public announcements. Wrong place, wrong time, wrong verbiage, and apparently no one to help him figure out the difference.

    It’s all hype, all the time … for Perry, not the Bible. The point seems to be: come listen to what Perry (not Solomon, etc) is going to say. The focus is totally off.

  16. DH Sep 10, 2009 4:20 pm

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