You should, you can’t, you must, you may never again talk to Perry Noble

The story of my attempts to meet with Perry Noble is one of changing rules and massive discrepancies between what’s said in public and done in private. Whom I meet and why isn’t normally of much interest to anyone, but this particular story reveals important features of Noble’s character and leadership which should be concerning ...

Having fun with the Furtick vision translator

Since Steven Furtick has discovered that visions and delusions are difficult to tell apart, let’s revisit some of his earlier teachings, this time substituting delusion for vision. Sometimes God plants a delusion in your heart so outrageous that you need to keep it to yourself for a while. Understanding and passing the delusion down from ...

Real wisdom from Furtick

A really promising tweet from Furtick tonight. It’s hard to differentiate between a vision & a delusion-both cause you to see things that no one else sees. No sarcasm here; it’s good that he’s recognizing this. Share this:More

Muddying the vision problem

Noble compounds his slippery personal revelation problem with this weekend tweet: Being filled with vision doesn’t always mean that God is inspiring us…but rather that He’s disturbing us! Two quick points. He acknowledges that vision does equal inspiration. Even though he assures us that it doesn’t “always” mean inspiration, the implication is that it is ...

Tunnel Vision

Tunnel Vision
Steven Furtick via twitter: Don’t ever compromise God’s vision. For anyone. Or anything. At any time. Stay true to His purpose. At any cost. I would be very interested to know what Steven means by “God’s vision” in this context. If we go on what he has said in the past, we can assume that ...

Manipulation 101

Manipulation 101
In this post, Steven Furtick shows us how he gets people to do exactly what he wants: Then Moses summoned Joshua and said to him in the presence of all Israel, “Be strong and courageous, for you must go with this people into the land that the LORD swore to their forefathers to give them, and you must ...

Noble describes his vision

Perry Noble delivered his much anticipated presentation at Catalyst this morning and taught about vision. In case you weren’t able to attend, here’s some of what you missed. When we make any agenda of the church anything other than Jesus, we make the church a prostitute…. You need a Holy Ghost enema…. God will always ...

Running the Numbers

I made a comment in the When to Stop Eating thread that I think deserves a little more thought.  Last weekend, Elevation had their grand opening for their first permanent site. It drew their largest attendance yet. As Furtick reports: Over 7000 people at Elevation this weekend! Over 500 salvations! Eph. 3:20! Thank you Jesus! 500 ...

Solving the vision problem

What’s the alternative to claiming special infallible visions from God? Although we’ve criticized Noble and Furtick in recent days for their grand vision pronouncements, how should they lead their churches when they feel so driven by God’s visions? Simple. Instead of saying “God told me,” they should lead by prefacing their visions with “I think” ...

Question me, Oppose God

We’ve seen over the last few days how Furtick and Noble continue to insist that people believe their visions and that no questions or criticisms of their actions in pursuit of those visions can be tolerated. There is a deep danger in the way that they present their pronouncements as infallible, and then boldly and ...