That’s an expensive conversation (Updated) 38

Perry Noble hosts a small $10,000 conference for youth ministers.

My mistake, it’s just a conversation.picture-81

Wait, we were right the first time; it really is a conference.

Talk about words fitly spoken.


Steven Furtick was inspired by the idea.

Really, really inspired.

The charge for five hours of Furtick’s wisdom?

$700 a person, but at least the wifi is free.

38 thoughts on “That’s an expensive conversation (Updated)

  1. James Duncan May 31, 2009 11:49 pm

    Seth, you write, “The reason you have to meet is more for community building and b/c when you see something live, you will be more inclined to take notes and pay attention then the comforts of your office or home where you will have distractions.”

    Don’t tell Nick Charalambous.

  2. Tommy F. Jun 1, 2009 12:25 am

    Re points 1 & 3: I never said you said the things I didn’t say you said, even though you now say I said that you said them.

    Re point 3: My list items # 3 & 4 were designed to convey that you’d leave with a full head – but I put a finer point on it by mentioning the two main benefits – church/ministry advice, and legal documents. If I ever get a thumbdrive with $50,000 in legal documents, I’ll go online and buy a law degree. I’ll then have a cool piece of paper, and a long list of very expensive legal pieces of paper. Useless trivia question (in case I ever land on Jeopardy) Are legal documents on a thumbdrive formatted 8.5 x 11, or 8.5 x 14 – like a legal pad?

    Re point 2: So, I was right – they should have posted it online and skipped the event … so why (again) pay if it’s going to be free? To take better notes? Or for the mints?

    Re point 4: Seminary: the point was if PNoble had gone, he wouldn’t have misread the Simeon passage. Actually, if he’d read the passage, rather than read into it, he would have avoided as well. Of course, that’s something any decent seminary will teach you. Too bad he didn’t take that class.

  3. Seth Jun 1, 2009 11:24 am


    I would tell Nick that in a heart beat, and he would agree. But, for people who, for whatever reason can’t get to church on Sundays, whether it be that you live far away, or that you have no means to get there, watching church online is good and it does work. But, you have to admit, that watching something on your computer in you office or home would be distracting. You would want to work on other things, people would keep coming into your office or talking to you at work, as a pastor, if you did not go, you would be distracted. When you are distracted, you won’t pay full attention and therefore, won’t get the maximum amount of knowledge out of it.

    Tommy F

    No Tommy, you fail to grasp what you will come aways with, instead of understanding it, you mock it. The jump drive does NOT have just the legal documents on it, infact, the only legal document would be the bylaws which I clearly stated in my post, if in fact you read it instead of imediately begain mocking it. And you were not right about number 2, you know, as I metioned about, that if you were to watch it at home or work as a pastor you would not be able to or you may be tempted to not pay full attention to it. And meeting together, like I said, builds community, I met many church leaders and actually met a guy who knows someone who runs a homeless ministry here in Anderson, so in the fall, the Bible study I am leading can get together with them and help out the community. If I had not have gone to the event, I know I would not have met him, and would not now have more chances to help people in the community.

    Earlier you said: “For any church planter it is a real awesome treat.”
    Now you say: “It’s not really a church planting conference.”

    You imply that I am digging a hole by contradicting myself, am I right on this point? If you actually read what I said, I never said it was a church planting conference, I never said it was just for church planters, I did say thatit is a real awesome treat for a church planter, which means that if you are planting a church and you went, then it was very rewarding. Therefore, by implying that I said something I did not, you yourself did say that I said something that clearly I did not. And on your list, all you posted was legal documents, again, if you weren’t so focused on sarcasim and mocking people you would have noticed that I said this,

    “ALL their church documents on, pretty much how they run the church, forms they use, procedures and policies of every kind, and their by-laws”

    Thats more than just legal documents, in case you can’t read or may have missed that.

  4. Tommy F. Jun 1, 2009 1:22 pm

    Seth you wrote: “No Tommy, you fail to grasp what you will come aways with, instead of understanding it, you mock it.”

    What you fail to grasp, apparently is that I mock it precisely because I understand it. If I didn’t understand it, I wouldn’t be able to mock it. You thought it was worth it. Fine. I think it’s a rip-off and more than that it’s exploitation. If they valued helping people out who are involved in church work, they’d offer it for a lower price and perhaps even for free. That’s just my view.

    Documents, thumbdrives, etc.: Wow. Now, I am confused. I am arguing with you about what you wrote, while you are arguing about what you meant. There’s a big difference. I can only go off of what you wrote. My intellectual powers fail when I try and determine intent. You certainly said that it was beneficial for church planters (it was a “treat”). And I asked why they don’t just post the documents for free, if they want to help start churches. Again, I never said you said something you didn’t say. I have the habit of quoting people to avoid precisely the problem we’re having now — the problem of communication, and the whole “that’s not what I meant, said, etc” game. I can only go by what you write. You mentioned a host of documents and then appraised the value, by mentioning legal fees, etc. I don’t really understand the point anymore of this line of argument – sorry. It must be the afternoon heat draining me.

    I’m glad you met some helpful people. But, every time I mock the event (which is easy I’d say based on the price and your detailed description), the reason for the fee or the purpose of the event changes slightly. Mints, OJ …. to great meeting place … to great people. Fine. I couldn’t care less if you go, went, go again, etc. I can’t believe this is the post that generates so much action. Why don’t we concentrate on a theological point? Those are even more fun to mock. It’s like we’re playing softball.

    I can read. Sometimes I can’t determine what people mean when they write. But, I can in fact read. I was learned up that way long times ago.

  5. James Downing Jun 1, 2009 2:13 pm

    If you can find anyone who would give you $50,000 for that thumbdrive, I’ll eat my left foot.

  6. Seth Jun 1, 2009 3:08 pm

    Tommy F

    Just so you know, everything that is helpful can;t always be free, medicine is not free, food is not free (unless you grow it yourself) water is not free, office supplies, meeting places, jumpdrives, websites, video equipment, nothing is hardly free anymore, so just because it is helpful, doesn’t mean it has to be free, also, its not exploitation because you are not made to go. If you don’t want to go, then don’t. But for the people that do go, it is there choice and to them, I promise you no one thought of it as a rip-off. Again, I cannot fully describe everything due to the fact that it was so much packed into one day. So, what you see as a rip-off, is to someone else, a blessing or a great event.

  7. Tommy F. Jun 1, 2009 9:01 pm

    Seth. Enough already. 38 posts on this? Please move on to something else. Now, you’re ripping off my time…

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