Comments on: The utility of Great Satans http://www.pajamapages.com/the-utility-of-great-satans/ Media, Church, Culture Tue, 22 Dec 2009 05:51:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Albert http://www.pajamapages.com/the-utility-of-great-satans/comment-page-1/#comment-5157 Albert Sat, 22 Aug 2009 03:36:35 +0000 http://www.pajamapages.com/?p=2641#comment-5157 That's what I've understood the post to mean from the beginning. I think this is the defining sentence, "I am not saying that every pastor who thinks the devil is bad is a false teacher." That’s what I’ve understood the post to mean from the beginning.

I think this is the defining sentence, “I am not saying that every pastor who thinks the devil is bad is a false teacher.”

]]> By: James Duncan http://www.pajamapages.com/the-utility-of-great-satans/comment-page-1/#comment-5154 James Duncan Sat, 22 Aug 2009 01:40:08 +0000 http://www.pajamapages.com/?p=2641#comment-5154 JT, I was hoping the opening link and all the talk about this being the fourth post in a series might have given you a clue that this is an argument that is best understood in the context of the earlier ones, which I assume you have read. You and I know how many PP readers are sticklers for context. In case you haven't read it, here's part of what I said in the <a href="?p=2595" rel="nofollow">first post</a>: <blockquote><strong>Bad people like to beat up on the Devil.</strong> Not only does Peter warn us against slandering Satan, he tells us something about the character of people who tend to do this. In 2 Peter these men are false prophets and teachers. In Jude, they are secret deceivers. Peter is giving us a clue. If you can’t discern anything else wrong with their visions and revelations from God, watch what they say about the Devil. It seems counterintuitive, but it’s what Peter said.</blockquote> I am not saying that every pastor who thinks the devil is bad is a false teacher. In fact, I'm not even saying that false teachers make more of a fuss about the devil than they need to. Peter and Jude (read, God) are. This post is my speculation about why that connection exists. False teachers disrespect the devil. At first, as I said, I thought it was counterintuitive. After thinking about it, now it makes more sense to me. JT, I was hoping the opening link and all the talk about this being the fourth post in a series might have given you a clue that this is an argument that is best understood in the context of the earlier ones, which I assume you have read. You and I know how many PP readers are sticklers for context.

In case you haven’t read it, here’s part of what I said in the first post:

Bad people like to beat up on the Devil. Not only does Peter warn us against slandering Satan, he tells us something about the character of people who tend to do this. In 2 Peter these men are false prophets and teachers. In Jude, they are secret deceivers. Peter is giving us a clue. If you can’t discern anything else wrong with their visions and revelations from God, watch what they say about the Devil. It seems counterintuitive, but it’s what Peter said.

I am not saying that every pastor who thinks the devil is bad is a false teacher. In fact, I’m not even saying that false teachers make more of a fuss about the devil than they need to. Peter and Jude (read, God) are.

This post is my speculation about why that connection exists. False teachers disrespect the devil.

At first, as I said, I thought it was counterintuitive. After thinking about it, now it makes more sense to me.

]]> By: JT http://www.pajamapages.com/the-utility-of-great-satans/comment-page-1/#comment-5153 JT Sat, 22 Aug 2009 01:24:11 +0000 http://www.pajamapages.com/?p=2641#comment-5153 Albert, Read it again. It's a parallel analogy to Duncan's: "Why is it that contrabiblical teachers also tend to be anti-Satan? I think we can find part of the answer in Iran." It's logically fallacious. It's guilt by association. It's absurd. Albert,

Read it again. It’s a parallel analogy to Duncan’s: “Why is it that contrabiblical teachers also tend to be anti-Satan? I think we can find part of the answer in Iran.”

It’s logically fallacious. It’s guilt by association. It’s absurd.

]]> By: Albert http://www.pajamapages.com/the-utility-of-great-satans/comment-page-1/#comment-5152 Albert Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:09:43 +0000 http://www.pajamapages.com/?p=2641#comment-5152 Sure, go ahead. I'd like to hear the rest of the story and how it accurately relates to this situation, please. Sure, go ahead. I’d like to hear the rest of the story and how it accurately relates to this situation, please.

]]> By: JT http://www.pajamapages.com/the-utility-of-great-satans/comment-page-1/#comment-5151 JT Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:44:59 +0000 http://www.pajamapages.com/?p=2641#comment-5151 Now that you've all explained it, I think I get it. I guess you're right. It truly is a terrible thing for Christians to be united against the powers of hell. Why didn't I see this before? <> Duncan, contrary to the praises of the regular crowd, this is possibly the worst post I've read on Pajama Pages (although I'm not sure that I'm ready to bump it past that time when you insinuated that Tony Morgan was publicly calling out Perry Noble as a "narcissist"). You ask, "Why is it that contrabiblical teachers also tend to be anti-Satan?" But you fail to recognize that Biblical teachers also tend to be anti-Satan. You couldn't have made a more fallacious argument if you'd tried! Allow me to illustrate the absurdity of your logic: Duncan, you spend too much time on the internet discussing your ideas. Why is it that devil-worshippers tend to spend a lot of time on the internet discussing their ideas? I think we can find part of the answer by looking at Charles Manson... Do I even need to continue with the illustration? Now that you’ve all explained it, I think I get it.

I guess you’re right. It truly is a terrible thing for Christians to be united against the powers of hell.

Why didn’t I see this before?
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Duncan, contrary to the praises of the regular crowd, this is possibly the worst post I’ve read on Pajama Pages (although I’m not sure that I’m ready to bump it past that time when you insinuated that Tony Morgan was publicly calling out Perry Noble as a “narcissist”).

You ask, “Why is it that contrabiblical teachers also tend to be anti-Satan?” But you fail to recognize that Biblical teachers also tend to be anti-Satan. You couldn’t have made a more fallacious argument if you’d tried!

Allow me to illustrate the absurdity of your logic:

Duncan, you spend too much time on the internet discussing your ideas. Why is it that devil-worshippers tend to spend a lot of time on the internet discussing their ideas? I think we can find part of the answer by looking at Charles Manson…

Do I even need to continue with the illustration?

]]> By: Matt http://www.pajamapages.com/the-utility-of-great-satans/comment-page-1/#comment-5148 Matt Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:53:58 +0000 http://www.pajamapages.com/?p=2641#comment-5148 Another example of this was when the pharisees turned an entire city on Jesus, diverting them from the fact that it was, indeed, themselves who were in sin. Another example of this was when the pharisees turned an entire city on Jesus, diverting them from the fact that it was, indeed, themselves who were in sin.

]]> By: James Downing http://www.pajamapages.com/the-utility-of-great-satans/comment-page-1/#comment-5146 James Downing Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:48:52 +0000 http://www.pajamapages.com/?p=2641#comment-5146 This is one of the better posts here. Alot to chew on, and really, it makes total sense...even if you remove the idea of disrespecting Satan. The point is, in liue of real substance, a leader can inspire followers if he can create a common enemy. It is clear that some modern preachers have decided to make the established church that enemy. This is one of the better posts here. Alot to chew on, and really, it makes total sense…even if you remove the idea of disrespecting Satan. The point is, in liue of real substance, a leader can inspire followers if he can create a common enemy. It is clear that some modern preachers have decided to make the established church that enemy.

]]> By: James Duncan http://www.pajamapages.com/the-utility-of-great-satans/comment-page-1/#comment-5145 James Duncan Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:46:21 +0000 http://www.pajamapages.com/?p=2641#comment-5145 Isn't it obvious? From you, on this post. Isn’t it obvious? From you, on this post.

]]> By: Albert http://www.pajamapages.com/the-utility-of-great-satans/comment-page-1/#comment-5144 Albert Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:43:35 +0000 http://www.pajamapages.com/?p=2641#comment-5144 @ Duncan, On this post, or all-time? @ Duncan,

On this post, or all-time?

]]> By: James Duncan http://www.pajamapages.com/the-utility-of-great-satans/comment-page-1/#comment-5140 James Duncan Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:12:46 +0000 http://www.pajamapages.com/?p=2641#comment-5140 @ Albert, Yours is one of my favorite comments yet. @ Albert,

Yours is one of my favorite comments yet.

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