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		<title>By: Sara Crocker</title>
		<link>http://www.pajamapages.com/whats-next-for-gary-lamb/comment-page-2/#comment-3806</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara Crocker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 14:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jake

You said:
No offense, but PN has many more things to do with his time than run a blog like this…I completely agree with you there Duncan!!!

Actually, if you read his twitter, not only does he read this blog (and then pretend he doesn&#039;t), it&#039;s pretty obvious that he responds to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jake</p>
<p>You said:<br />
No offense, but PN has many more things to do with his time than run a blog like this…I completely agree with you there Duncan!!!</p>
<p>Actually, if you read his twitter, not only does he read this blog (and then pretend he doesn&#8217;t), it&#8217;s pretty obvious that he responds to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Carpenter</title>
		<link>http://www.pajamapages.com/whats-next-for-gary-lamb/comment-page-2/#comment-3803</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Carpenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 03:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You had it right with the 2nd sentence of your blog: &quot;I don’t know her story.&quot; 

You should have kept it right there, because you proceeded to cast a lot of judgements for someone that &quot;doesn&#039;t know.&quot;   

The families are the only &quot;victims&quot; here. The two parties involved in this sin are both equally responsible and should repent!  And, I pray they do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You had it right with the 2nd sentence of your blog: &#8220;I don’t know her story.&#8221; </p>
<p>You should have kept it right there, because you proceeded to cast a lot of judgements for someone that &#8220;doesn&#8217;t know.&#8221;   </p>
<p>The families are the only &#8220;victims&#8221; here. The two parties involved in this sin are both equally responsible and should repent!  And, I pray they do.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>matthew 18:15-17 ... that is all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>matthew 18:15-17 &#8230; that is all.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://www.pajamapages.com/whats-next-for-gary-lamb/comment-page-1/#comment-3682</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No offense, but PN has many more things to do with his time than run a blog like this...I completely agree with you there Duncan!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No offense, but PN has many more things to do with his time than run a blog like this&#8230;I completely agree with you there Duncan!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Seth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duncan

Let me get this right, we should not deal with your motives, like you just said, yet, we should listen to you while you try and deal with other people&#039;s motives? Yes, you do have some truth on this blog, yes, you do have some error on this blog, but, you also attack other pastors motives and critize them, and yet your motives cannot be attacked or critized? Shouldn&#039;t you also be tested to see if you are right? If not, does that not make you a hypocrite? I think the ideas we find here are driven by your motives, so, i think your motives matter if you are critizing a church that is so big and powerful. In the same way you say they need to be checked, you also need to be checked because there are people out there who attack them just for the fun of it. Granted, sometimes your posts I feel are just attacking them for the fun of it, and other times I feel you may have a valid point. Take these latest posts, granted, you do put the facts out there, but you also assume somethings based on what you know(or think you know) and it comes across as attacking someone. Take the posts on How Perry Noble’s legalism failed Gary Lamb and The essence of Pharisaism, you took an idea, and, while having good intentions, you made it sound like 2 things, number one, Gary Lamb had the same level of accountablility and the same safeguards in place as Noble, and number 2, that Perry is a fool for trying to protect himself while you also forget to quote the rest of the blog which there is more to it than what you posted. So, For example, we don&#039;t know if Lamb&#039;s and Perry&#039;s methods are the same, also, yes, you do call perry what he says to, the thing people get at is that, they feel like you are against any pastor who tries to protect himelf. So, I think just as you question other people who influnce alot of people motives, your motives, because you have claimed in the past that alot of people read you blog, should also be allowed to be questioned.

PS. No, I&#039;m not calling you an atheist or anything of that nature, I know better, but I figured I haven&#039;t posted in awhile so, I would jump in here. But this time, I left my shovel in the car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duncan</p>
<p>Let me get this right, we should not deal with your motives, like you just said, yet, we should listen to you while you try and deal with other people&#8217;s motives? Yes, you do have some truth on this blog, yes, you do have some error on this blog, but, you also attack other pastors motives and critize them, and yet your motives cannot be attacked or critized? Shouldn&#8217;t you also be tested to see if you are right? If not, does that not make you a hypocrite? I think the ideas we find here are driven by your motives, so, i think your motives matter if you are critizing a church that is so big and powerful. In the same way you say they need to be checked, you also need to be checked because there are people out there who attack them just for the fun of it. Granted, sometimes your posts I feel are just attacking them for the fun of it, and other times I feel you may have a valid point. Take these latest posts, granted, you do put the facts out there, but you also assume somethings based on what you know(or think you know) and it comes across as attacking someone. Take the posts on How Perry Noble’s legalism failed Gary Lamb and The essence of Pharisaism, you took an idea, and, while having good intentions, you made it sound like 2 things, number one, Gary Lamb had the same level of accountablility and the same safeguards in place as Noble, and number 2, that Perry is a fool for trying to protect himself while you also forget to quote the rest of the blog which there is more to it than what you posted. So, For example, we don&#8217;t know if Lamb&#8217;s and Perry&#8217;s methods are the same, also, yes, you do call perry what he says to, the thing people get at is that, they feel like you are against any pastor who tries to protect himelf. So, I think just as you question other people who influnce alot of people motives, your motives, because you have claimed in the past that alot of people read you blog, should also be allowed to be questioned.</p>
<p>PS. No, I&#8217;m not calling you an atheist or anything of that nature, I know better, but I figured I haven&#8217;t posted in awhile so, I would jump in here. But this time, I left my shovel in the car.</p>
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		<title>By: James Duncan</title>
		<link>http://www.pajamapages.com/whats-next-for-gary-lamb/comment-page-1/#comment-3678</link>
		<dc:creator>James Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stumbled,

All that matters to you is that I&#039;m the guy who writes this blog. Deal with the ideas you find here, not my identify or motives. 

Truth is truth, no matter who it comes from. Error is error, no matter who it comes from. It&#039;s for you to determine whether what you read here is truth or error, not to worry about who is saying it.

BTW, I will continue to deny that I&#039;m really Perry Noble, no matter what conspiracy theories you hear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stumbled,</p>
<p>All that matters to you is that I&#8217;m the guy who writes this blog. Deal with the ideas you find here, not my identify or motives. </p>
<p>Truth is truth, no matter who it comes from. Error is error, no matter who it comes from. It&#8217;s for you to determine whether what you read here is truth or error, not to worry about who is saying it.</p>
<p>BTW, I will continue to deny that I&#8217;m really Perry Noble, no matter what conspiracy theories you hear.</p>
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		<title>By: Stumbled on to this blog</title>
		<link>http://www.pajamapages.com/whats-next-for-gary-lamb/comment-page-1/#comment-3677</link>
		<dc:creator>Stumbled on to this blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did think about it....I just read a handful of your topics on here that were taking things that many different pastors have said and ripping them to shreds, as if to show these pastors should not be listened to.  I may have posted to soon, but it really reminded me of the way atheists take scripture out of context, post it on the internet and rip holes in it.  I am really curious who James Duncan is....I know that this is your blog and you are free to share your thoughts on all these topics....but please, I am curious.  Who is James Duncan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did think about it&#8230;.I just read a handful of your topics on here that were taking things that many different pastors have said and ripping them to shreds, as if to show these pastors should not be listened to.  I may have posted to soon, but it really reminded me of the way atheists take scripture out of context, post it on the internet and rip holes in it.  I am really curious who James Duncan is&#8230;.I know that this is your blog and you are free to share your thoughts on all these topics&#8230;.but please, I am curious.  Who is James Duncan?</p>
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		<title>By: James Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stumbles,

Someone who disagrees with a fallen human leader is an atheist?

Think about what you&#039;re saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stumbles,</p>
<p>Someone who disagrees with a fallen human leader is an atheist?</p>
<p>Think about what you&#8217;re saying.</p>
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		<title>By: Stumbles onot this blog</title>
		<link>http://www.pajamapages.com/whats-next-for-gary-lamb/comment-page-1/#comment-3674</link>
		<dc:creator>Stumbles onot this blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who is James Duncan and why is this website so against these ministers.  Is James Duncan an atheist or anti-christain or what?  I was searching for Gary Lamb&#039;s blog and I stumbled on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is James Duncan and why is this website so against these ministers.  Is James Duncan an atheist or anti-christain or what?  I was searching for Gary Lamb&#8217;s blog and I stumbled on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Not a Stone Thrower</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not a Stone Thrower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do believe that both Gary and Elena went into this willing and are equally responsible.  Believing that its Gary more than Elana is just as wrong as believing all women are vile and infections like Gary&#039;s mentor believes.  The people the deserve the apologies are Gary&#039;s wife and children and Elana&#039;s husband and children.  Both Gary and Elena should do this.  The church is secondary to the family.  I worked in church ministry as a worship leader for nearly 10 years and was beaten down with toxic relationships that all but destroyed my marriage.  A year after I resigned, I was still not healthy nor was my marriage and I had an affair.  There were many I hurt because of my actions, but my now ex-wife and kids were the ones I hurt the most.  I take responsibility for my actions and sin.  It is unfortunate that other&#039;s in the church didnt see their actions prior to mine as toxic and sinful.  Pastors, leaders, lay persons, parishioners and those who have never attended a church service in their life face choices everyday.  Choices that carry consequences.  Choices that can build or destroy.  We are all human.  We all make bad choices.  Unfortunately many of those bad choices don&#039;t only affect ourselves, but more so affects others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do believe that both Gary and Elena went into this willing and are equally responsible.  Believing that its Gary more than Elana is just as wrong as believing all women are vile and infections like Gary&#8217;s mentor believes.  The people the deserve the apologies are Gary&#8217;s wife and children and Elana&#8217;s husband and children.  Both Gary and Elena should do this.  The church is secondary to the family.  I worked in church ministry as a worship leader for nearly 10 years and was beaten down with toxic relationships that all but destroyed my marriage.  A year after I resigned, I was still not healthy nor was my marriage and I had an affair.  There were many I hurt because of my actions, but my now ex-wife and kids were the ones I hurt the most.  I take responsibility for my actions and sin.  It is unfortunate that other&#8217;s in the church didnt see their actions prior to mine as toxic and sinful.  Pastors, leaders, lay persons, parishioners and those who have never attended a church service in their life face choices everyday.  Choices that carry consequences.  Choices that can build or destroy.  We are all human.  We all make bad choices.  Unfortunately many of those bad choices don&#8217;t only affect ourselves, but more so affects others.</p>
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